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hey everybody hope you're having an

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awesome day evening afternoon whatever

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time it is uh it is cattle mutilation

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day Jason I know this is like your first

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or second favorite topic to uh to to

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bounce around oh it's it's my yeah

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definitely my top two topics it's alien

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abductions and calculations for me all

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day long there you go well we have an

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expert with 35 years experience former

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law enforcement officer as well uh Chuck

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Zukowski he's been on TV shows like

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alien highway and uh recently what just

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a couple days ago there was a report

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coming out of Texas there's now one in

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Oklahoma so we are literally in the

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middle of a mini cattle mutilation flap

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I know a lot of people kind of scoff at

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the phenomenon and take a lot of other

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things seriously in our field but not so

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much cattle mutilations we do want to

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give you some stats and some facts

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before making up your mind I think some

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of that stuff might actually uh might

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blow your mind more than uh you know as

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soon as you think you've got anything

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figured out in this type of phenomenon

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you don't and we even learned some stuff

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last time we had Chuck on I'm sure we

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will again today so Jason you're get

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ready I hope you got something to drink

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man I'm gonna get the barbecue sauce

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ready because this is

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Jason's fired up I'm fired up it is

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night time where we are uh but it's

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gonna be a cool dive under the world of

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cattle mutilations High strangeness

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black helicopters all the good stuff so

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uh stick around we're gonna get Mr Chuck

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Zukowski on and we'll be right back uh

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in the kitchen

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good friend Mr

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Jason gilmette I'm happy to be here

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tonight this is actually we're doing a

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recording at night time uh we got Chuck

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right before he went on holidays uh we

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got him right before he left and uh

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thank you so much we do appreciate you

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being here uh Louie I'll throw it back

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to you my man yeah so we had check on a

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few months ago many of you have seen him

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on TVs uh you know he's a host of alien

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highway uh former volunteer law

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enforcement officer he's been

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investigating UFOs and kind for over 35

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years uh but tonight we're going to talk

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about cattle mutilations as there has

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been uh some recent media reports on

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um so welcome to the show Chuck good to

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have you back thank you very much I

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appreciate it you know um cattle Beach

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and some scary stuff you know and

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absolutely and you know anytime we have

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it one of my main concerns is to get the

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information out to the public as quick

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as possible

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because of other ranchers you know it's

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uh you know it could affect other

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ranchers these things have a tendency of

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happening in waves so as soon as we hear

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about Juan I get that information out on

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my website UFO not DOT ufo.net.com uh

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it's it's a free site and all and all my

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investigations you know it's not like

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some of these paid sites so everything's

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free to the you know the viewers and the

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readers to to come over and peruse and

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and make their own judgments I just put

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the information out there based on my

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experience and I try not to make

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assumptions

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you know and they're trying to use

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science and logic and think analytically

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when I do these because you know um you

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can be wrong and what I love about your

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writing as well on your the way you blog

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is that you explain step by step how you

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got to even the ranchers you know how

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did you get to the ranchers how did you

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first find out about it I want to pick

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your brain a little later on uh down on

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on the show about that because it's

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brilliant I think as a person who'd like

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to investigate this myself I'd like

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seeing the step by step from a serious

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and professional investigator at this

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point

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um showing us how to do it right showing

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us the Rope so yeah we can get wordy

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because sometimes uh you know I want so

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much information in there that I don't

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want to leave the reader scratching

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their head I want them to be able to

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once they finish the blog and maybe they

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got to get a cup of coffee or maybe read

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it over a couple of days right you know

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because you know nowadays with social

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media some of the stuff with Tick Tock

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seconds and even some of the you know

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some of the blogs out there you know

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they're it's got to be a three minute

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read or something just just because but

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you really can't get into depth when

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you're doing something as uh you know

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traumatic as an animal relation or you

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know you're investing a lot of time to

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do a type of UFO or Bigfoot

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investigation you kind of want the

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reader to know a little bit of the back

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story how you got there and what you

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found out sure so what was it about

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cattle mutilations I mean there's so

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many aspects to the UAP and UFO

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phenomenon not everybody delves into

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this in fact many of our viewers who are

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pretty seasoned at a lot of things may

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not know much about this so what was it

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for you that said I don't want to just

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look at craft in the sky or you know uh

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ET based phenomena what was it for you

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that got you interested in the cattle

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mutilation aspect I am a morbid guy

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anyway yeah six sense of humor well

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before I got married

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um my buddy and I uh Mark Halen I'll

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just tell you his name out there but

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um you know he was really into models

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the uh science fiction models and and uh

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comic books and and I got involved into

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it and we'd go to these you know fangora

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and different types of conferences about

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the special effects used so you know I

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got out of high school I was pretty much

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you know already getting involved in

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some more of it stuff so when when a

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county election investigation came along

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it really didn't affect me that much

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um I already had a mindset you know

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looking into it the very first one I did

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I I threw together a team real quick

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because at the time I was a move on Star

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investigator and it was going to be the

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very first star investigation for mufon

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and Robert Bigelow was actually funding

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the Star team at the time

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and so I threw away yeah I threw it

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together a team we went out to this

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mutilation and and uh in western

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during the investigation one of my team

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members just walked away and went back

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to the vehicle you know the other two

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anymore it's just you know uh we just

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can't deal with it so over the years and

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that would go with me that actually did

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some of the videotaping and he was

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really good comfortable in front of you

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know dead animals and the smell and you

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know they don't you know they really

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dead animal that was just alive maybe 24

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the next day is laying on the ground all

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why it was killed so it's a very scary

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kind of situation yeah and there's no

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signs of struggle this is and we're

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but there's no signs of struggle with

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these these cows or these animals

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there's there's more than just cows

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being found there's other animals as

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well but there's no struggle from at

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three thousand four thousand pound

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not a single sign of protest and that is

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crazy yeah and we can you know when you

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want me to go in and explain that

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um unless you want me to explain it now

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you know uh it's it's really interesting

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but as an investigator the very first

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thing I do is when I go to an animal

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immunization investigation is I look at

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the animal

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from a safe distance and I've done

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enough of them now the very first couple

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oh my gosh you know you have to really

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really be careful I was already a

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trained you know investigator I've been

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monster investigations and stuff so I

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was kind of aware what to watch out for

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but you really don't know how this

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animal died right you know it could be

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viral and if it's viral and you walk up

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on it and and it affects you then in

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turn you go home and you affect the

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whole family so you really have to be

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careful with these things

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yeah earlier today I was putting

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together a list because I wanted to try

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to make this and Jason as well as

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digestible for people who don't know I

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sorry no pun intended that was good

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Louis that was still good all right it's

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an evening recording whatever but court

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case Awards the choice award but okay

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and I wanted to be sharp too because I

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know you're one of the foremost expert

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on this so I put together a little list

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and we can go into some of these things

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and kind of pick them apart but these

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are some of the most common things that

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seem to be present with these cattle

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mutilations so if anybody right off the

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bat saying oh this is all nonsense let

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me read the list here so typically

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um the wounds appear as clean cuts

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almost Surgical and Precision Precision

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uh the animal tends to be drained of all

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blood uh there's none on the fur like no

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hemorrhaging and there's none on the

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grass or the surrounding area blood is

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just gone completely absent uh this was

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a cool one I just learned today 90 of

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the animals studied in a lab are between

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four and five years of age I don't know

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if that has any impact or not but big

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majority of them tend to be within that

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that age range strange marks or imprint

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in the soil absence of tracts or any

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signs of humans Vehicles things like

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that when they've done sort of

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pathological tests after the fact

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pathology tests they have an unusually

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high or low level of certain vitamins

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and minerals so potassium you know

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calcium are either off the chart or

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non-existent for whatever reason they

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also find unusual chemicals that you

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wouldn't normally have in livestock

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removal of sex organs rectum Parts

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sometimes internal organs missing or

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organs rearranged in such a way that

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wouldn't be consistent with a natural

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death in the wild the animal hides tend

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to be brittle there's a lack of animal

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predation so that even wild animals

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don't want to eat these cows after

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they've been mutilated and typically

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they're found at a different location

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than from where they went missing or

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where they were last seen so that's just

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a general summary on that we can you

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know Chuck I can throw it to you pick

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what you like first but that is pretty

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crazy uh involving finding just dead

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animals in a field there's a hello right

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there is and there's a lot of

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misinformation out there too from people

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who are more like couch investigators

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that may have never gone to you know

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investigation actually seen one up front

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and maybe they'll read they'll read some

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periodical or a book or something and

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then they come up I mean like the

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brittle hype I've never seen that uh

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chemicals in the blood I've never seen

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that either there was even cases of

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micro meteorites on the hide I've never

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seen that fluorescence on the hide well

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the only fluorescence you're gonna see

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under a black light is in the anal area

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where urine you know may be present you

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know from when the animal was alive so

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there's a there's a few things that um

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organs

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if they're misplaces it's not because

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they were purposely misplaced is because

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other organs were removed and as they

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were removed the ones that whoever's

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doing this didn't want kind of pushed

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them aside or filled the void now

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created oh you'll want to talk you know

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with this organ uh mutilation that

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happened on March 30th

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um we can go in that a little bit later

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but uh yeah what happened internally is

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really interesting and uh it's really

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it's cool because when I drove into

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these things and really get into the

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meat investigation

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um I learn new stuff yeah so um you know

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some of the things you mentioned I've

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never actually come across I'm not

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saying that's not the case I just I

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personally haven't come across them

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and I don't know it could be due to

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other circumstances yeah and so as a

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question because this this is not a new

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phenomenon this is a phenomenon we've

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been dealing with for quite some time

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can you give us a bit of a background on

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the phenomenon like how it kind of

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started and basically led to you now

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leading some of the best investigations

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of the world on the subject like how did

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this originate what did this first pop

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up well you know um originally since

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1967 outside of Alamosa at the base of

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Blanca Peak in the San Luis Valley with

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Snoopy the horse actually the name was

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actually a lady but the media got it

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wrong and you know recall the horse

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snippy I think that was ladies

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not a sibling or something and you know

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that horse

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was the first time that the media looked

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at a mutilation case in in this Century

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basically that um and then it went

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worldwide nobody knew law enforcement

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and the ranchers they had no idea how

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this animal died let alone how the cuts

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uh you know uh what who caused the cuts

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how the cuts were made right that's

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really interesting uh I'm going to throw

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out a real quick fact here in the San

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Luis Valley little town of Hooper is the

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UFO Watchtower run by Judy mezel and

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she's been doing this for a few years

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now and she's got neat little Watchtower

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overlooks of San Luis Valley camping

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there and stuff but within the last year

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or so she's acquired snippy the horse's

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bones and she has them on display there

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it's a really big part of animal

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mutilation history to see the actual

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skeleton from the very first animal that

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was mutilated that went worldwide now

370
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that's not the first one that actually

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was ever mutilated I actually I found an

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article back in I think it was like

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1896.

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where it was a town in Missouri

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were at night the residents of this of

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this Farm you know they saw this light

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with these light on the big light with

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these little lights and flashing and

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stuff and pretty much scared the hell

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out of them and they went inside the

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house and you know boarded up all the

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doors the next morning they went out to

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the location to check on the livestock

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and the father found three dead animals

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void of blood

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so that is the common denominator for

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every one of these new cases is the lack

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of blood

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so I get asked from time to time

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um who's ever doing it what do they want

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you know why cut here why cut there I

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can go into that a little bit but the

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bottom line is it's always about the

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blood if it's not a cow or a horse a pig

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you know a dog

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um what else have I you know built and

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I've done a few different types of

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mammals other than uh towels

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you mentioned snippy the [\h__\h] is it

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correct me if I'm wrong but from what I

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read this horse's head and neck was D

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like skin removed and deflashed so you

403
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have a horse and then a skeleton from

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the neck to the Head

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right right and um I've actually done

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geez the two separate wrenches of

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calf mutilation investigations where

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it's the calf head

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and the legs and and the height is on

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the legs it's on on the head but all in

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between is clear which is clean just

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like you know the part you described

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with snippy the horse wow I actually

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I've actually investigated

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well let's see we had one Rancher had

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like four of those and another ratchet

417
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had one and that and this is what's

418
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really scary because you know your

419
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Skeptics will say well you know it's got

420
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to be a predator or a scavenger or

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something but with calves the ranchers

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keep an eye on their calves because of

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coyotes and they count them every day

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because it's this is a business they

425
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just don't have cows out there you know

426
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they you know their their answers and

427
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this is their job and they count the

428
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cows and they keep keep them all crowned

429
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together out in the fields and move them

430
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from field field so

431
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:40,920
pretty much every time that I've been

432
00:16:44,569 --> 00:16:42,240
called for something like this where a

433
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:44,579
calf has been missing is because it was

434
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counted the day before and the next day

435
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this is how they find it

436
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and when they fight an animal like that

437
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once again it's laying on the ground

438
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there's absolutely no signs of massive

439
00:17:00,829 --> 00:16:59,100
amounts of blood you know Carnage from a

440
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predator like a mountain lion coming and

441
00:17:04,669 --> 00:17:03,060
ripping things apart and be flesh

442
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everywhere and I actually did a Blog on

443
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that a few years ago where I showed what

444
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a mutilation case is and then what

445
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Carnage is from predators and how much

446
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blood is like everywhere and on the hide

447
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but even with a skinned skeleton I mean

448
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down to a skeleton there's no evidence

449
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of a blood on the ground and that's kind

450
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of scary when you really look at it from

451
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you know from a human point of viewing

452
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you know

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how that thing get skinned without

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leaving any trace of how it got skin and

455
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work all that skin is yeah except for

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one case I had one case and this was

457
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really interesting because I've done a

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lot of these

459
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um the animal was skin down to the head

460
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and and to the skeleton and it's always

461
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all connected it was laying here

462
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and the skin was laying next to it first

463
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time I've ever seen that

464
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and the hind end or or where the hips

465
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would be there were two holes

466
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symmetrical holes on each side never

467
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seen that before I've never seen it

468
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since that's got a mess that's your

469
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lunch break for sure yeah well I tell

470
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you you know it's um you do see

471
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something new every time and like I

472
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learned something new with uh with the

473
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Oregon case that and I've been working

474
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with a uh with a deputy on the Texas

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case too

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and we can talk about that a little

477
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later that I can tell you about the

478
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Oklahoma case I just happened like the

479
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night before last yeah so we covered the

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history kind of how this started and

481
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investigators now obviously through

482
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times like in the 70s and 80s you had

483
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Linda Moulton Howe which we're having

484
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soon Louis on the on the show and uh she

485
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she was investigating this and obviously

486
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you know people like um Chris

487
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Christopher O'Brien investigate this as

488
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well

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um you know you're kind of thrown into

490
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this this is something that you're now

491
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part of and investigating one it's got

492
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to be a little bit surreal that you get

493
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to do this when nobody else seems

494
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interested and you're like oh boy oh boy

495
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it's like going to a candy store at this

496
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point he says what else am I gonna find

497
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right oh it's like oh boy a boy I gotta

498
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drive another three hours

499
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your dime too right because you're not

500
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being paid to do this so that's that's

501
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another thing that uh is pretty cool

502
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well you know now I'm not discrediting

503
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Linda

504
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is I'm a field investigator

505
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um and there are more uh investigative

506
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journalists right okay you know Chris

507
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Wolverine writes books from it London

508
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how well she just says she's an

509
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investigative journals and so they

510
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,760
really don't get deep into it they get

511
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enough of whatever information they need

512
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and then they kind of speculate from

513
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that and I'm not saying anything

514
00:19:51,950 --> 00:19:49,740
negative about it because Linda you know

515
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if uh you know she she started a ball

516
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you know the ball rolling yeah Pioneer

517
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right yeah right right and and and you

518
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know I respect her that says that one of

519
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the differences is you know

520
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I'm the guy like

521
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um do you know La marzulla have you

522
00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:09,720
heard of him no I don't think so no well

523
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um you know he has his own his own

524
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channel and his his own movies and stuff

525
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and and um

526
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we were kind of like shooting a

527
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documentary about about a month or so

528
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ago out in the middle of nowhere in

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Colorado and uh

530
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and while he was in the motel or hotel

531
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sleeping

532
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um I was out in the middle of you know

533
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of nowhere with the night vision camera

534
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to about you know 11 11 30 at night by

535
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myself just look it was a clear night

536
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and I took advantage of it and I just

537
00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:44,280
you know in an area where there have

538
00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:47,100
been UFO sightings in the past so these

539
00:20:51,049 --> 00:20:48,600
are some of the things that people won't

540
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,059
do is you know they put their you know

541
00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:53,039
their own health at risk or life at risk

542
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:54,360
by going out to these areas by

543
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themselves

544
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to satisfy you know their own drive and

545
00:21:02,750 --> 00:21:00,000
yeah I've been called

546
00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:02,760
you know less than smart for doing that

547
00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:06,059
back in the day I would I would uh tell

548
00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:08,340
my wife this is where I'm going

549
00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:10,380
I have I plan to be home by three in the

550
00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:12,179
morning if I'm not at home by five call

551
00:21:14,990 --> 00:21:13,320
the police

552
00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:15,000
and literally you know that's what I

553
00:21:18,289 --> 00:21:15,960
would tell her

554
00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:18,299
but nobody else wants to do that stuff

555
00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:20,100
you know and when you take people with

556
00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:22,980
you they turn it into a camp capfire and

557
00:21:26,690 --> 00:21:25,260
you know and then it is you know you

558
00:21:28,730 --> 00:21:26,700
gotta really

559
00:21:31,070 --> 00:21:28,740
be in that mode

560
00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:31,080
I don't say stealth but you know you

561
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,260
just gotta you know black out the lights

562
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:36,240
and everything hang back and just wait

563
00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:37,679
for something if something's going to

564
00:21:41,870 --> 00:21:39,000
happen

565
00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:41,880
uh just Spare Time stuff that's just

566
00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:43,320
stuff I do in the spare time in between

567
00:21:48,049 --> 00:21:45,960
investigations right that's kind of

568
00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:48,059
stupid but I do pick up some some

569
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:49,799
strange lights sometimes not all the

570
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,520
time

571
00:21:54,289 --> 00:21:51,840
yeah I want to ask you about that

572
00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:54,299
there's also been reports of like balls

573
00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:56,820
of light sometimes UFOs sometimes even

574
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,700
Bigfoot associated in the same area as

575
00:22:04,850 --> 00:22:01,919
cattle mutilation so can you share any

576
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:04,860
cool info in regards to that yeah um I

577
00:22:10,669 --> 00:22:07,919
was doing uh well we were researching

578
00:22:12,409 --> 00:22:10,679
I say we because a buddy by Joel fix

579
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:12,419
who's a Bigfoot investigator was with me

580
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:15,240
and we were in the San Luis Valley

581
00:22:18,169 --> 00:22:15,960
um

582
00:22:21,289 --> 00:22:18,179
on the other side of Hooper or the

583
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:21,299
Watchtower is and we had heard of a

584
00:22:27,289 --> 00:22:24,840
mutilation case that was at the base of

585
00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:27,299
the mountains and also a Bigfoot and you

586
00:22:31,070 --> 00:22:29,400
know sighting and that's why Joe was

587
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,080
with me the being a Bigfoot investigator

588
00:22:36,409 --> 00:22:33,120
and we went out and that was one of the

589
00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:36,419
first times where I actually you know we

590
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:37,860
didn't find a carcass and we were

591
00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:39,480
looking for bigfoot Footprints and stuff

592
00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:41,460
we didn't find anything but that was the

593
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:44,280
first time that uh

594
00:22:48,529 --> 00:22:46,260
you know I was called to do that type of

595
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,539
investigation a combination of Bigfoot

596
00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:50,880
and an animal mutilation it's really

597
00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:53,460
interesting now we do get a lot of UFO

598
00:22:59,870 --> 00:22:56,100
sightings around Bigfoot sightings

599
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,880
so one's watching the other you know and

600
00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:02,880
and and so you have a third person like

601
00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:05,400
someone out there hiking or camping and

602
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:07,860
they can experience both those things

603
00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:11,120
but it's it's really interesting

604
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:14,460
how how battle emulations can correlate

605
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,380
with other things too like UFOs and bid

606
00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:18,240
for right because the two have been

607
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:20,280
linked for quite some time I mean it's

608
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:22,620
it's not uncommon you've got toys now

609
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,080
that they sell even I have a painting

610
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:26,880
back there that I painted of a cow being

611
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:29,340
taken by a flying saucer I mean it's

612
00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:31,799
it's so common we all sort of accept it

613
00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:34,140
right but I got shirts I got a shirt of

614
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:36,120
a Bigfoot actually being abducted by a

615
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:38,280
flying saucer flying other than another

616
00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:41,220
one with a cow and yeah but you know

617
00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:42,900
it's I get people all the time because

618
00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:44,340
I've done some Bigfoot investigations

619
00:23:48,890 --> 00:23:46,740
and I have to be honest with you I was

620
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:48,900
often my ride over here I've got I don't

621
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:49,919
know if you probably can't see it but

622
00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:52,380
there's a footprint from the Patterson

623
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:55,620
case okay can I see it yeah and uh you

624
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,960
know it's a first generation well not

625
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,460
first generation second generation from

626
00:24:03,649 --> 00:24:01,440
the very the actual print

627
00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:03,659
and even with the Bigfoot Footprints of

628
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:04,980
some of the footprints you see out there

629
00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:06,840
when you go back to the Paterson cases

630
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,480
certain things about footprint and

631
00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:12,480
certain lines that depicts what a what a

632
00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:15,299
real bigfooted you know casting is as

633
00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:17,340
opposed to a fake one and that's why I

634
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:19,620
like having that there because

635
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,020
um you know that's you know that's my

636
00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:24,240
model of determining what's real and

637
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:26,220
what's not and what could be fake but

638
00:24:30,110 --> 00:24:27,960
it's been going on for a long time too

639
00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:30,120
one of the lucky things about me being

640
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,559
out here in Colorado

641
00:24:35,270 --> 00:24:33,360
is you know we're in the four corners

642
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:35,280
area but um

643
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:37,620
you know uh Colorado Springs has a new

644
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:40,020
tribe and you get out to San Luis Valley

645
00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:42,179
and it'll be you know Navajo and then

646
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:43,559
you get into New Mexico and you have the

647
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:46,620
Apaches so I've been extremely lucky to

648
00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:48,299
be able to talk with our Native

649
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:50,280
Americans and to hear about you know

650
00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:52,260
their stories that have been brought up

651
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:54,659
through the history and I have to be

652
00:24:57,950 --> 00:24:57,299
well this is really interesting so you

653
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:57,960
know

654
00:25:02,029 --> 00:24:59,700
doesn't matter what tribe you talk to

655
00:25:03,529 --> 00:25:02,039
they have their own name for bigfoot of

656
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,539
course Sasquatch is a Native American

657
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,000
name and they have their own own name

658
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:08,640
for you know UFOs

659
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,000
but I talked to you know a youth the

660
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:13,919
Elder and found out that they have their

661
00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:16,799
own name for a gray alien oh really oh

662
00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:18,840
yeah and this is something that has been

663
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:20,820
going through generations

664
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:24,240
and so the Grays may be something new to

665
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:27,000
us you know at least within the past you

666
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,539
know 50 60 years or since Roswell but uh

667
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:32,760
to the Native Americans these stories

668
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:34,860
are kind of like handed down handed down

669
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,320
it's really even even Tommy knockers or

670
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:39,840
men and Unis and leprechauns and stuff

671
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:42,840
the Native Americans have their own form

672
00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:46,500
of the leprechaun or Tommy knocker and

673
00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:48,120
they all have a name for that they've

674
00:25:51,890 --> 00:25:50,700
all seen them you know and they they air

675
00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:51,900
it out and they'll still see these

676
00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:53,580
little guys so there's a lot of stuff

677
00:26:00,529 --> 00:25:56,340
going on out there I think John Mack did

678
00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:00,539
ask the Dalai Lama if they had such

679
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,220
tails and stuff like that about little

680
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:04,559
guys that broke into people's homes and

681
00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:06,299
took them in the middle of the night and

682
00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:08,039
he said yes they did in Tibet they they

683
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:10,919
have legends about that as well so it's

684
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,080
crazy this phenomenon even not you know

685
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:15,480
now it's modern I mean we we're zooming

686
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:17,400
from a great distance right now it's

687
00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:18,840
amazing what we can do with technology

688
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:20,940
but back in the day when we can share

689
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:23,760
this information it just stayed local it

690
00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:25,740
was a local problem it wasn't a global

691
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:28,020
problem but now we're noticing you're

692
00:26:35,630 --> 00:26:29,580
absolutely right I mean it wasn't until

693
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:39,049
you know what's going on realize that um

694
00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:42,120
you know they're gonna lose what hold

695
00:26:46,669 --> 00:26:43,980
they have on it because of social media

696
00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:46,679
everybody that has a a phone right has

697
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:50,520
got a video and and photo capability and

698
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:51,600
you know the phones are getting better

699
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:53,580
and better now at filming a matter of

700
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,659
fact

701
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:56,400
um for your viewers and listeners out

702
00:27:00,049 --> 00:26:57,299
there

703
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,059
if you see a UFO you see something I

704
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,159
identified it could be a ball of light

705
00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:04,559
floating by you on the ground or

706
00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:07,559
something floating by please put your

707
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,020
camera on video mode and shoot video do

708
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:12,480
not shoot photos especially if there's a

709
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,340
light in the sky do not shoot a photo on

710
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:16,620
it because when they get turned into the

711
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,020
investigators like me it just looks like

712
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,320
a star or a planet you know and and it

713
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:23,760
really is really nothing we can do about

714
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:26,340
it it's a great story oh yeah this thing

715
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:28,260
shot off in that well you know if you're

716
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:29,880
on video mode you would have caught that

717
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,580
so I always mention on podcasts that if

718
00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:34,320
you see anything anybody seen anything

719
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:36,600
out there click it on video mode and in

720
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,820
some cases you'll get better Lighting on

721
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:40,799
video mode than you will on Photo

722
00:27:47,049 --> 00:27:42,900
because photo is trying to take pictures

723
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:47,059
the software tries to change background

724
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,380
likes and the whole bit to give you the

725
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:52,080
best photo where video is it's a little

726
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:53,640
different right and you get multiple

727
00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:55,380
frames out of video too that you could

728
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:57,900
place and one may not be as good but you

729
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,820
were speaking about Native Legends and

730
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:01,559
we have an upcoming episode with Avery

731
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,100
Tafoya so he's a hickory Apache Elder a

732
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:07,200
tribal council member and when we

733
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:09,000
chatted with him about Archuleta Mesa

734
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:11,340
and UFOs and Bigfoot and all the rest he

735
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:14,039
mentioned that along with sightings and

736
00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:16,440
cattle mutilations that they typically

737
00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:18,360
see a lot of black helicopters and so I

738
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:20,100
asked them about the mutilations and

739
00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:22,980
said do you think this is ET or some

740
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:24,900
type of other being or are these

741
00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:27,299
man-made and I was surprised when he's

742
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,860
his opinion was that it's the military

743
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:31,440
doing it and I'm not sure if that's just

744
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:33,960
because of the proximity of how soon you

745
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,940
see them I kind of look at it that maybe

746
00:28:39,409 --> 00:28:37,679
the military's investigating knowing

747
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:39,419
that these things happen but I thought

748
00:28:42,769 --> 00:28:41,220
that it's such a similar topic and you

749
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:42,779
just brought it up what are your

750
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:44,400
thoughts on that is this an outside

751
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:46,740
force doing this or is this oh yeah it's

752
00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:49,200
an outside force because first off you

753
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:50,940
know this has been going on for so long

754
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,760
like with snippy the horse back in 67

755
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:55,919
you know we didn't have you know the

756
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,419
stuff helicopters well matter of fact

757
00:29:01,789 --> 00:28:59,340
you know it's it's really interesting

758
00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:01,799
where some people Skeptics will say

759
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:03,419
actually I had one guy tell me well you

760
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:04,980
know it's a special forces and when they

761
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,559
graduate you know part of the graduation

762
00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:09,360
is the mutilated animals sneak in and

763
00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:10,679
sneak out and they have stealth

764
00:29:15,070 --> 00:29:12,779
helicopters in this and and then I kind

765
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,080
of I go back and say well you know since

766
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:18,240
1967 when snippy the horse went public

767
00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:21,840
we've had well over 10 000 cases report

768
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:23,820
of animal mutilations more than that

769
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,820
actually now now it doesn't mean that

770
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:28,799
you know for every case that I do like

771
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,080
the case in Oregon I found out that that

772
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,600
guy was hitting before in the mid 70s

773
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,480
and I also find out another area near

774
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:39,600
him was hit so one case turns into okay

775
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:41,220
the three events actually happen there

776
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,600
so that's how you get up to the ten

777
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:44,159
thousand over ten thousand cases over

778
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:46,260
the period of years but this guy says he

779
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:47,580
had to come it was a self-help

780
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,380
accomplish and do it all and then I

781
00:29:53,389 --> 00:29:50,640
always like to throw back you know when

782
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,399
we were going after bin Laden

783
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:55,679
um you know it was a Seal Team Six sort

784
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:57,240
of a stealth helicopter into the

785
00:30:02,269 --> 00:29:59,220
compound and

786
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,279
if you know they had issues with the

787
00:30:05,149 --> 00:30:03,840
helicopter and they had to blow it up

788
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:05,159
right

789
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,480
so I don't know if you you know you're

790
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,640
familiar with that not too familiar with

791
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:10,080
the story but that's awesome that sounds

792
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:12,419
like a movie yeah well I mean that's you

793
00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:14,039
know when they when they went after him

794
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:16,260
uh you know they had mechanical problems

795
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:19,320
and and a helicopter was inside a

796
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:20,700
compound and then they actually had to

797
00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:22,860
blow it up and had another helicopter

798
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,260
and that was a stealth helicopter so

799
00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:27,120
even the best best

800
00:30:32,889 --> 00:30:30,179
that the U.S has for soldiers and the

801
00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:32,899
best of the best the technology failed

802
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:36,299
right okay one out of two fifty percent

803
00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:38,220
you know there was two helicopters one

804
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:40,500
failed and they were safely you know

805
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:43,020
they were able to safely leave so now

806
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:45,419
you have all these you know 10 000 cases

807
00:30:51,889 --> 00:30:48,899
you think one case out of ten thousand

808
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:51,899
because humans were not perfected we

809
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,640
leave evidence and we do all kinds of

810
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,679
stuff you think out of those cases that

811
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:57,120
were investigated by law enforcement

812
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:00,360
there would have been one screw up if it

813
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,539
was special forces which tells you know

814
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:05,279
hey if you just got to just look at you

815
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,380
know the reality of it and think about

816
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:09,600
it intelligently everybody makes

817
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,700
mistakes Nobody's Perfect

818
00:31:16,669 --> 00:31:14,100
the the one thing I learned as a when I

819
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:16,679
was a deputy and animal relations are

820
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,620
crimes it's an animal cruelty crime and

821
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:22,320
in Colorado it's a misdemeanor if you

822
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:24,659
get caught killing an animal if you get

823
00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:27,539
caught killing multiple animals

824
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:28,679
felony

825
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:31,980
so now you're a felt for you know so if

826
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,960
they take it seriously

827
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,240
so it's and then also the ranchers out

828
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,880
here in Colorado by law can protect

829
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,039
their livestock and shoot you if they

830
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:42,720
catch you trying to kill part of their

831
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,580
livestock they can take a shot at you

832
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:45,600
legally

833
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:48,299
so it's risky business right it is it is

834
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:49,740
yeah especially if you're the person

835
00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:53,100
that's doing the the cutting up so um

836
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,539
you know in all those cases the 10 000

837
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:59,340
cases that law enforcement has

838
00:32:03,049 --> 00:32:00,600
investigated

839
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:03,059
not once have they ever found any

840
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:06,360
evidence of who committed a crime if

841
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,559
it'd be a predator or a human and and

842
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:12,720
one thing I like I said I did learn as

843
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,799
as a deputy was every crime

844
00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:19,440
leaves evidence

845
00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:21,539
now we have books and books and books

846
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:23,460
about humans leading evidence and crimes

847
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:24,419
and stuff but we don't want to have

848
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:26,039
anything when it comes to the Paranormal

849
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:27,899
so we're kind of writing this as we go

850
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:29,460
along so when it comes to animal

851
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:32,340
mutilations as a field investigator as

852
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,140
opposed to the investigative journalists

853
00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:36,480
who don't do this you try to come up

854
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:39,299
with ways of capturing evidence you

855
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:41,340
don't know about and evidence you can't

856
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:42,179
see

857
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,860
and you go well how do you do that well

858
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:45,360
you know you just got to be very

859
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:46,320
creative

860
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:50,220
a few of my cases I've shot a full

861
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,440
spectrum camera during the daytime well

862
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,480
how'd you do that well you know I have a

863
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,120
a white light block or filter that fits

864
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:59,039
over the camera blocks out all the white

865
00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:01,500
lights so I can see you know everything

866
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:03,899
other than white light white light is

867
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:06,720
what we can see I want to see infrared

868
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:09,480
right I want to see what our eyes can't

869
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,120
see and um so I have a new camera now

870
00:33:16,850 --> 00:33:14,640
that that I have a filter for that too

871
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:16,860
so you look for stuff like that of

872
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,840
course you know we we've used black

873
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:20,640
lights looking for fluorescence and

874
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:23,460
other things too but you really got to

875
00:33:27,529 --> 00:33:25,620
think out of the box way out of the box

876
00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:27,539
to try and figure out how to capture

877
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:30,419
evidence you know is there right I just

878
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:33,000
don't know what it is so this phenomenon

879
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,100
we talked about this or touched on it

880
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:37,440
really briefly is global it's an issue

881
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,779
and it seems to jump around in the

882
00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:41,880
United States it seems like it comes in

883
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:44,279
waves all the time and it does so in

884
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,899
Europe as well I mean Europe just went

885
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:47,760
through a phase of having mutilations

886
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:50,039
there as well some of their livestock

887
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,620
including horses and now it's picking

888
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,440
back up again in the states and I know

889
00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:57,120
there's just a new wave to just started

890
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:58,620
and we're going to get into that on how

891
00:34:03,889 --> 00:34:01,080
you got to start in this new wave but

892
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,899
how many a year do you normally get how

893
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:05,580
many cases a year

894
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,740
well I was just talking to a Rancher

895
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,320
last month and you know was that his

896
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:13,440
site and uh talking in this was the

897
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:16,139
Rancher that's had I forget 14 or 15

898
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:18,060
mutilation cases

899
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:20,760
uh it's been quiet for the past couple

900
00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:21,720
years

901
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,300
and when I hear about mutilations

902
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:27,119
occurring anywhere in the U.S I always

903
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:30,060
hit I text my renters to let them know

904
00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:31,139
hey

905
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,000
could be something you know just just

906
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,700
you know stay aware but

907
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,679
um you know I was just talking to Tom

908
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:39,899
and Sally and then I was talking to Mike

909
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,540
and and we're going well it's been it's

910
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:44,639
been quiet for a couple of years and you

911
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:46,980
know it's coming back so the problem is

912
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:49,500
and I spent a lot of time when I first

913
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,000
got involved in this to try to figure

914
00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:53,760
out if there was a pattern right and and

915
00:34:58,250 --> 00:34:55,500
I would look at

916
00:35:00,890 --> 00:34:58,260
um you know moon phases or you know

917
00:35:02,089 --> 00:35:00,900
anything that has to do with you know

918
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:02,099
um

919
00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:04,980
meteorite showers or you know anything

920
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:06,920
like that anything that I could look at

921
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:09,480
that you know happens

922
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:12,359
that we could actually monitor the

923
00:35:17,089 --> 00:35:14,280
problem is

924
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,099
is we can't see the big picture

925
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:19,200
now you know we're constantly moving and

926
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:21,000
over sitting down still right now but

927
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:22,560
the Earth is spinning we're moving right

928
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,900
the Earth is moving around the Sun so

929
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,359
we're moving around that the sun is is

930
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:30,000
moving inside our galaxy our galaxy is

931
00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:31,500
moving towards the Andromeda galaxy

932
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:35,540
we're never in the same space

933
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:39,060
every millisecond we're in a new part of

934
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:43,020
Uncharted space literally right they

935
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:44,700
really are you know we we travel back

936
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,160
and forth you know to you know we won't

937
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:49,440
get on the moon and whatever and and our

938
00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:50,579
probes and you know hitting the

939
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,380
different planets but that's in our

940
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:54,480
little tiny space that's like me moving

941
00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:55,980
around in this room

942
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,660
but you have to go outside that room

943
00:36:01,630 --> 00:36:00,000
outside the house outside the state

944
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:01,640
outside the country

945
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:04,740
you know to to Really to understand the

946
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,599
big picture that we're never in the same

947
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:09,119
space twice so that means there could be

948
00:36:14,329 --> 00:36:12,359
events happening way out of our you know

949
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:14,339
thought process our control of what

950
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:17,400
could be you know some of the key

951
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,260
factors of what's going on you're in a

952
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:21,359
little tiny planet you know so it's but

953
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:23,400
here I haven't really

954
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:25,920
you know I've got some ideas you know

955
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:27,780
when I came up with the 37th parallel

956
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,460
thing and we could talk I don't know we

957
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:31,500
probably talked about that earlier you

958
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,660
know getting some ideas of how we can

959
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:36,240
track stuff here in the U.S when it's

960
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:37,320
active

961
00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:40,440
right yeah but uh but not one is not

962
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,119
active and I know there's a lot of

963
00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:44,520
people who you know well I don't want to

964
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:47,099
say claim to be psychic but uh you know

965
00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:48,780
that oh yeah something's gonna happen

966
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:50,820
well you know like Nostradamus or else

967
00:36:57,770 --> 00:36:54,180
sleeping profit but um

968
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:57,780
you really don't you really don't know

969
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:59,400
we don't know how to think like these

970
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:01,260
guys too if there are aliens you would

971
00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:02,820
have to think like an alien to be an

972
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:05,579
alien right yeah yeah to be an alien to

973
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:07,800
think like an alien so when I listen to

974
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:09,480
some of these guys well whoa why don't

975
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:10,740
they do this because they don't think

976
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:11,820
like a human

977
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:15,000
right that's you saying that right we

978
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,500
don't know how these guys think we don't

979
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:18,960
know if the Grays are just you know the

980
00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:21,240
just little clones that are you know

981
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:23,220
pre-programmed and they're like worker

982
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,839
ants just doing their thing and you

983
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:26,880
could care less about what's going on if

984
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:28,140
you care less who's watching them they

985
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,060
just do their thing get it done

986
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:32,160
but there is I believe a hierarchy

987
00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:34,980
within that too so right you mentioned

988
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:36,599
you mentioned moving around and one

989
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:37,859
thing I find fascinating and I think

990
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:39,180
I've heard you say this on another show

991
00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:41,460
is that sometimes these ranchers and

992
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:43,079
again these ranchers are used to seeing

993
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:45,300
casual death right on a farm and a ranch

994
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:47,099
you have dead animals all the time so

995
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:49,320
they're so you know traumatized by what

996
00:37:53,089 --> 00:37:51,240
they see it's clearly not anything

997
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,099
within the norm but some of them will

998
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:55,680
move and go somewhere else and this

999
00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:58,260
phenomena seems to follow

1000
00:38:01,609 --> 00:38:00,119
there was a case where Rancher loved

1001
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:01,619
Texas and I think he went into New

1002
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:05,339
Mexico and uh he got hit again and

1003
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:07,500
what's interesting about this is so

1004
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:09,540
funny I'm so happy you brought this up

1005
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:13,920
because you know um what ranch or Rancho

1006
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,960
Sanchez was little town in San Luis

1007
00:38:19,210 --> 00:38:17,520
which is near the New Mexico border in

1008
00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:19,220
Colorado

1009
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:21,900
he moved his animals you know the

1010
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:24,060
ranchers will say hey can you move your

1011
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:26,700
animals to my pasture you know help help

1012
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:28,380
me cut the grass there

1013
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:30,359
and your feed your animals and green

1014
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:31,680
grass they don't want brush fires

1015
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:32,940
because there's a lot of brush fires out

1016
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:34,500
there so they kind of keep control of

1017
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:37,140
vegetation so different ranchers will

1018
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:40,140
move their cows around on other people's

1019
00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:42,300
ranches you know to keep you know the

1020
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:44,520
fire danger down and everything else

1021
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,700
and so an Archer Sanchez moved his cows

1022
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:49,920
to a field in this middle the other

1023
00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:51,960
Rancher had his cows on this field in

1024
00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:54,200
this field they were offensive between

1025
00:39:00,589 --> 00:38:57,900
Rancho Sanchez got hit his needle he got

1026
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:00,599
a cow was mutilated in between the other

1027
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:04,020
none of the other ranches ever were uh

1028
00:39:08,569 --> 00:39:05,880
you know were ever hit when I was

1029
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:08,579
talking to Tom Miller last month he's

1030
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,740
he's in between his Ranch is in between

1031
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,839
two other ranches

1032
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,119
and they're spread out pretty far yet

1033
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:17,520
it's always him that gets hit although

1034
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:19,320
his Ranch are down the street did get

1035
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,500
hit once and it was a dog and that's the

1036
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:25,200
only one that I really know of but I

1037
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:27,240
asked for cows and we were joking about

1038
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:29,160
was

1039
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:32,760
um Tom had sold his cows

1040
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,339
to the Rancher next to him

1041
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:37,200
you know because he's getting into you

1042
00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:40,619
know retirement phase and so um he sold

1043
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:41,880
his cows

1044
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:45,900
and um he's leasing the his land

1045
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:48,420
you know to the other guy to so the cows

1046
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:50,940
can graze on that but his cows are now

1047
00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:54,300
mixed in with the other guy's cows now

1048
00:39:59,150 --> 00:39:57,060
if he gets hit again if the ranch gets

1049
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:59,160
hit again it'll be interesting to find

1050
00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:01,079
out if it's his cow

1051
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,060
or the other guy's cow that gets hit

1052
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:05,820
right so now they're all together

1053
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:08,220
it could be like a specific breed of cow

1054
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,320
or certain General extreme or something

1055
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:13,680
or no no no just random just random just

1056
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:17,220
random and um you know back in the day

1057
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:19,140
you know you would have a little molten

1058
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:21,420
house and Chris O'Brien's Chris O'Brien

1059
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,119
kind of changes to lately I think he's

1060
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:26,640
more into uh you know it's a it's a

1061
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:29,400
government you know cover-up and the

1062
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:31,079
government's been doing it but I think

1063
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:33,180
Linda Moulton house is still you know

1064
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:34,680
thinking what she originally thought of

1065
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:36,900
of somewhere around the road we kind of

1066
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:38,820
lost crystal grind the way he was

1067
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:39,660
thinking

1068
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:42,660
yeah when I do investigations I don't

1069
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,060
point to any one thing I always still

1070
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:47,280
get you look at the crime itself and

1071
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:49,140
trying to figure out that crime and how

1072
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,060
it happened and and who's responsible

1073
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:53,280
for it now when you talked about

1074
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,099
um military and the military does show

1075
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:58,800
up but they show up after the fact so

1076
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,180
they're running I you know they're

1077
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,640
running their own investigations and a

1078
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:05,280
few of my cases they've been uh you know

1079
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,460
uh helicopters at night hovering over a

1080
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,380
location where the animals were

1081
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:11,520
mutilated they're running their own

1082
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:13,740
investigations that might be part of the

1083
00:41:18,730 --> 00:41:15,780
Pentagon it's been pentagonic when it

1084
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:18,740
came out of 2017 we knew before that

1085
00:41:24,530 --> 00:41:22,740
that somebody in the government had you

1086
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:24,540
know a program that were investigating

1087
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:27,300
UFOs because way back when I was first

1088
00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:29,700
introduced to Robert Bigelow that the

1089
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:30,839
Star team

1090
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,420
in my opinion wasn't funding the Star

1091
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:38,640
team with his own money and he was

1092
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:39,960
getting paid

1093
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:43,200
you know subsidized yeah yes and then

1094
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:47,820
his lab was actually uh jumping the uh

1095
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:50,880
the move on investigators so you know

1096
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:52,440
one that want to move on you know and

1097
00:41:56,210 --> 00:41:53,880
move on you know got a report of

1098
00:41:57,790 --> 00:41:56,220
something that was really good that they

1099
00:42:00,349 --> 00:41:57,800
would have to use the elite

1100
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:00,359
investigators to investigate rather than

1101
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:03,480
just in one's less experience

1102
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,160
um they had to go through Robert Bigelow

1103
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:06,960
and Bigelow's guys

1104
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:09,180
it would take them a couple days to come

1105
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:11,160
back and say go investigate it

1106
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:13,260
but we found it a few times that within

1107
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:14,820
that couple days they'd ran their own

1108
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,160
guys over to run the investigation

1109
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:19,200
so um at the time I said you know well

1110
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:20,700
he's a billion or what am I going to do

1111
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:23,460
I'm a hundred here right right I got a

1112
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:25,619
few hundred dollars that's about it but

1113
00:42:31,089 --> 00:42:27,720
because the hundreds of dollars I got

1114
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:33,230
but you know but you know when you got

1115
00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:34,980
you know millions and billions you can't

1116
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:36,599
you can't compete with that there's no

1117
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:39,240
way and you know so we found out that

1118
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,820
his team was actually jumping you know

1119
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:44,400
our teams that move fund was sending out

1120
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:47,520
then we won when it came out and so back

1121
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:50,700
in the day I had a suspicion that he was

1122
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,859
actually working for somebody else it

1123
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:54,240
wasn't just him he was working for

1124
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:56,700
somebody else I thought it was a CIA or

1125
00:43:02,210 --> 00:42:59,700
something but it came out in 2017 he was

1126
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:02,220
actually working for the Pentagon so I

1127
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:04,200
was partly right you know just I just

1128
00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:05,760
had the wrong

1129
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:08,760
Department right yeah it's funny we've

1130
00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:10,859
spoken to a few people now Louie that uh

1131
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,740
oh yeah Jeremy Ray a big move on Star

1132
00:43:17,690 --> 00:43:15,599
Team guy he was on here he alluded to

1133
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:17,700
the same yeah so it's not a big secret

1134
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:20,460
but I know I want to ask you about this

1135
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,980
recent Texas mutilation because it's

1136
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:24,960
relevant it's what sparked the interest

1137
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,900
in doing this show so uh six cows I

1138
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,700
believe over a couple different counties

1139
00:43:34,970 --> 00:43:32,400
uh all the usual signs right like

1140
00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:34,980
missing tongues missing flesh from the

1141
00:43:40,609 --> 00:43:38,579
Jaw genitals removed no blood

1142
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:40,619
what can you tell us about this recent

1143
00:43:43,849 --> 00:43:41,520
uh

1144
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:43,859
accumulation flap this is really

1145
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:45,060
interesting

1146
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:46,200
um

1147
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:50,400
I just found out today

1148
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,099
I have a source let's just say that in

1149
00:43:59,410 --> 00:43:55,680
Texas so I can say right now I have a

1150
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:02,030
it's like the mafia I know a guy who

1151
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:06,359
knows a guy yeah little guy who knows

1152
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:11,510
and we maybe it was only five one died

1153
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:14,819
of natural causes but

1154
00:44:19,010 --> 00:44:16,740
um when this started happening it came

1155
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:19,020
it came out public oh you know and I'll

1156
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,280
talk a little bit about Oregon a little

1157
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:23,760
bit later but part of Oregon some of the

1158
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,619
things that I do because I was a

1159
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:28,560
previous deputy kind of opens doors for

1160
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,280
me

1161
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,680
and I use that of course I'm going to

1162
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:32,880
use that you know

1163
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,160
um yeah if I was a magician I do tricks

1164
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:36,480
to try and get stuff that I've you know

1165
00:44:41,530 --> 00:44:39,300
wanted you know not like Bill Cosby did

1166
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:41,540
but you know

1167
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:45,680
it was quite the trick he pulled yeah

1168
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:49,260
there's nothing that bad but uh you know

1169
00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:53,640
I'll go in and and uh uh and and with um

1170
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,220
you know the um Madison County Sheriff's

1171
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:58,079
Department it was just after I found out

1172
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,599
about it the next day I got right in I

1173
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:02,160
called the Madison County Sheriff's

1174
00:45:06,589 --> 00:45:04,920
Department uh they were dispatched I

1175
00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:06,599
told him who I was I told him I was a

1176
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:08,760
former deputy I told him that I you know

1177
00:45:14,170 --> 00:45:12,240
from Colorado I'm doing investigations

1178
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:14,180
you can look me up and whatever you know

1179
00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:17,579
and so I was able to find out who the

1180
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:21,980
investigative Deputy is for uh for them

1181
00:45:29,809 --> 00:45:26,280
and uh I was able to get her

1182
00:45:31,849 --> 00:45:29,819
um her uh phone actually you know a

1183
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:31,859
number basically

1184
00:45:36,530 --> 00:45:34,920
and uh I tried a couple times and I got

1185
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,540
through and was able to talk to her you

1186
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:37,920
know personally

1187
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:40,859
of what I was looking for was a case

1188
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:43,380
report now I'm in Colorado this is Texas

1189
00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:47,220
so the best I can do is go through law

1190
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,319
enforcement first see if they have their

1191
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:51,119
case report filed

1192
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:52,920
and if they do track the allocation

1193
00:45:56,569 --> 00:45:55,140
report to the case report number and

1194
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:56,579
then pay for it you have to pay for it

1195
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:57,960
you know they just you and so you have

1196
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,160
to go through all the different steps to

1197
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:01,680
get you know the case report so I

1198
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:04,440
contacted her and we had a really nice

1199
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:07,859
chat and she I really feel sorry besides

1200
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:09,480
you're doing a regular job she's been

1201
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:12,119
inundated internationally now it's

1202
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:13,920
internationally known so this poor lady

1203
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:16,800
is getting hit from all sides from media

1204
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,560
and investigators and you know looky-loo

1205
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:21,839
people and hey I have this Theory and I

1206
00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:24,180
have that theory and stuff and she's

1207
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:25,980
doing the best you know to try and get

1208
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:28,920
everything done but we went on my

1209
00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:31,319
website I had our young computer she

1210
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:33,180
said yeah it says go to my website look

1211
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:35,400
at my my previous blog on the Oregon one

1212
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:37,140
look at the pictures because we haven't

1213
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,819
seen any pictures really

1214
00:46:42,530 --> 00:46:40,800
yeah because the routers are staying on

1215
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:42,540
the down low on this

1216
00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:44,579
and she's looking at it she says yeah

1217
00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:47,339
the pictures you have from the organ you

1218
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,319
resemble

1219
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:52,079
the cows that I've seen you know in

1220
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:54,119
Texas and then she was kind of reading

1221
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:56,280
through it and then I spent about a half

1222
00:47:02,030 --> 00:46:59,160
hour briefing her from the investigative

1223
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,040
point of view what we or I look for

1224
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,319
doing an adult you know animal relation

1225
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,440
case what makes it different from you

1226
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:10,079
know a regular animal cruelty case which

1227
00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:12,540
I'm quite familiar to with because a

1228
00:47:16,690 --> 00:47:14,339
lack of edits and some other things so

1229
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,700
we really had a a really good

1230
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,900
conversation trade a lot of information

1231
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:21,000
back and forth

1232
00:47:25,069 --> 00:47:21,660
um

1233
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:25,079
she it still is trying if she if she

1234
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:26,579
can't get it to me I'll just have to

1235
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:29,400
wait for the case report but um I sent

1236
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,140
them my bio I sent them a bunch of

1237
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:33,420
information on animal mutilations

1238
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:35,640
and what I was trying to do is I'm

1239
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:38,099
trying to you know persuade them to give

1240
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:40,560
me some pictures and and some

1241
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,140
preliminary notes you know about her

1242
00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:46,079
case before they go public with with the

1243
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:48,599
actual case the issue is I mean she had

1244
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:50,220
to go talk to the sheriff directly and

1245
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,480
ask permission

1246
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:53,280
but um

1247
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:55,020
I tried to call her again today because

1248
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:56,819
I just talked to her the other day I

1249
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,260
didn't get an answer this might be your

1250
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,540
day off because Julie usually deputies

1251
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:01,920
will take a day off during the weekday

1252
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:04,680
if they work weekends that's usually the

1253
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:06,359
case and sometimes they'll work they'll

1254
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:08,339
work four tens

1255
00:48:11,809 --> 00:48:09,540
um and that's like if they're you know

1256
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:11,819
plus any overtime so I haven't you know

1257
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:14,700
she hasn't got back to me yet I'm going

1258
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:17,220
to try again tomorrow to see if I can

1259
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:20,339
weasel some more information I do have

1260
00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:22,380
boots on the ground on some of somebody

1261
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:24,300
over there who has got a medical

1262
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:26,940
background we've already identified one

1263
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:29,220
of the ranchers we know who their answer

1264
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:32,720
is uh we know the location

1265
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:36,960
of of where the animal uh you know was

1266
00:48:40,609 --> 00:48:39,240
mutilated we have a general idea where

1267
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:40,619
there are a couple of other you know

1268
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:43,079
locations and you know when you're a

1269
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:45,240
field investigator

1270
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,420
you're just you know you do research but

1271
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:50,700
you really have to get in

1272
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:53,880
and randomly just go out to try and find

1273
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,980
the information there was a case years

1274
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:58,319
ago in Walsenburg Colorado that eight

1275
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:01,740
cows were mutilated at one time and I

1276
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:03,000
thought that would be all over the news

1277
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,740
the only reason why this is is because

1278
00:49:09,050 --> 00:49:07,079
we've had a lot of UFO sightings and the

1279
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:09,060
Pentagon and the whole bed so you know

1280
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:11,940
there's a heightened uh you know uh

1281
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:15,300
uh of ufology right now and so The

1282
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:17,160
Buttes are you know really coming into

1283
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:19,740
coming to play but I had eight cows in

1284
00:49:24,829 --> 00:49:21,720
walsenberg I didn't know where they were

1285
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:24,839
I had a general area where they were I

1286
00:49:29,630 --> 00:49:26,520
drove out the walls of America is a good

1287
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:29,640
hour and a half from my house I sat in

1288
00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:31,260
the middle of a couple different County

1289
00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:34,920
Roads and open areas waiting for a truck

1290
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:37,560
to come by uh ratchet truck flag them

1291
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:38,940
down and ask them have you heard about

1292
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,180
this and within a couple hours I was at

1293
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,160
the ranch where where for the animals

1294
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,839
were mutilated and within the next hour

1295
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:48,480
I knew where the other you know the

1296
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:51,240
other four were so it's sometimes it's

1297
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:52,920
you have to really be a detective you

1298
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:54,839
have to really get in and do detective

1299
00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:58,200
work so you know curiosity here I used

1300
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,140
to be an insurance so I I keep thinking

1301
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:02,880
about these Farmers that are losing you

1302
00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:04,560
know let's say four to eight cows at a

1303
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:06,900
times they're expensive I mean how much

1304
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:10,160
is a cow like three to five grand

1305
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:15,290
um actually if you there's there's

1306
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:17,400
something else you have to think about

1307
00:50:21,230 --> 00:50:19,140
um out of all the cases I've done I

1308
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:21,240
think there was only one case that was

1309
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:23,819
actually a corporation where they had

1310
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:26,940
Insurance on their cows most of these

1311
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:29,400
smaller branches you know they're free

1312
00:50:33,130 --> 00:50:30,540
grazing animals and they don't have

1313
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:33,140
insurance on their cows right

1314
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:39,359
now they may purchase a calf 200 300 but

1315
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:43,380
see the calf grows up and calves right

1316
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,720
and over a period of let's say 10 years

1317
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:47,760
or 15 years as long as that calf that

1318
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:50,700
cow is as alive it caps and then each

1319
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:53,400
calf can calf and each calf's calves can

1320
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:55,260
calf and each calves calves calf calf

1321
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:57,180
you know and so you have that multiplier

1322
00:51:01,849 --> 00:50:59,700
effect so that 200 dollars

1323
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:01,859
you know if you lose that animal you

1324
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:05,160
lose the next what life expectancy of

1325
00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:09,180
that animal uh of of what it could Caffe

1326
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:11,460
and the life expectancy but very cap and

1327
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,500
this cap this calf and you can go into

1328
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,599
hundreds I mean you can literally be

1329
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:17,040
down a hundred thousand dollars off of

1330
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:19,619
one animal over a period of time people

1331
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:22,140
don't realize that and it's really a big

1332
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,420
burden to a lot of these ranchers that

1333
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:26,640
may not have 2 000 head of cattle and

1334
00:51:31,069 --> 00:51:28,260
they you know that's not Yellowstone

1335
00:51:33,230 --> 00:51:31,079
from TV you know right you know a lot of

1336
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:33,240
these guys may only have 50 60 had a

1337
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:35,220
cattle so it's a real burden and then

1338
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:37,380
when they lose a bull which is their

1339
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:38,700
stud Bowl

1340
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,220
sometimes it's stubble now I think they

1341
00:51:46,430 --> 00:51:43,920
do ensure this dead Bulls because if the

1342
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:46,440
stud bull dies on their property they've

1343
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,300
got to pay for it most of times they'll

1344
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:50,640
lease a stud bolt yeah and when it comes

1345
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:52,140
time

1346
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,800
um

1347
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,200
and if they lose it that's a lot of

1348
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:57,119
money out of their pocket too if they

1349
00:52:02,569 --> 00:51:59,400
don't have insurance on

1350
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,579
male or female more common

1351
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:05,760
uh female is more common yeah what was

1352
00:52:09,770 --> 00:52:07,859
yours put a percentage on it how what

1353
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,780
would you give it well the reason why

1354
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:11,280
females are more common is because

1355
00:52:16,030 --> 00:52:13,619
there's a lot more of them okay no

1356
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,040
offense to the ladies out there

1357
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,480
you know it's just like you know Amazon

1358
00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:21,119
you know and it'll be all women and two

1359
00:52:25,250 --> 00:52:22,920
guys and that's what you're basically

1360
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:25,260
going to see a lot of ranches as you may

1361
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:27,720
see two or three Bulls in the rest are

1362
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:31,920
all females right and so it's just odds

1363
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:35,040
um you know and an extra bull itself the

1364
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,260
bull could be out in you know you know

1365
00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:39,839
Grazing In out of the pasture way away

1366
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:42,300
or whatever and maybe targeted for

1367
00:52:47,569 --> 00:52:45,300
whatever reason but law of averages is

1368
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,579
using the females so if you had to

1369
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,440
venture a gas then nobody knows and I

1370
00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:50,880
get that but if you had to venture a

1371
00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:52,740
guess about this whole cattle mutilation

1372
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:55,500
thing what do you think it is

1373
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,630
Hitchhiker's Guide right yeah gotcha

1374
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:04,800
yeah that's the answer to the universe

1375
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,900
right yeah

1376
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:08,460
so

1377
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:11,280
why are they doing or like what do you

1378
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,900
think it is do you think yeah why are

1379
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:14,640
they doing it what's the purpose behind

1380
00:53:19,309 --> 00:53:16,920
it this is just an imaginative guess I'm

1381
00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:19,319
just curious as to what you think after

1382
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:21,480
35 plus years of research and this kind

1383
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:23,640
of thing what's your summation as of

1384
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:25,260
right now if you had to venture I guess

1385
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,300
I can tell you

1386
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:30,180
the probability of it being non-human is

1387
00:53:35,089 --> 00:53:32,220
greater than the probability of it being

1388
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,099
human and I I hate to just come out and

1389
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:38,160
say is aliens doing it but sure some of

1390
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:40,020
my Ranchers have seen balls of light

1391
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,640
some of them have seen uh cracked uh you

1392
00:53:48,609 --> 00:53:46,559
know unknown crafts you know from from

1393
00:53:50,809 --> 00:53:48,619
what they could recognize

1394
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:50,819
the book makes it a little bit different

1395
00:53:56,569 --> 00:53:55,380
you know like with the organ case Okay

1396
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:56,579
um

1397
00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:58,500
there are certain questions that a

1398
00:54:02,809 --> 00:54:01,260
deputy will not ask because they're

1399
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:02,819
they're looking at an animal cruelty

1400
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,740
case so they they keep their questions

1401
00:54:08,930 --> 00:54:07,200
to the animal cruelty they don't there's

1402
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:08,940
no reason why they should think anything

1403
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:11,520
otherwise because that's not their frame

1404
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,260
of mind you know they they know exactly

1405
00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:15,119
with El Paso County Sheriff's Department

1406
00:54:19,490 --> 00:54:18,119
out of all the deputies that they had uh

1407
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,500
there was probably only two or three

1408
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:22,079
deputies that are actually trained to do

1409
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:24,540
animal death investigations animal

1410
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:27,540
cruelty desks uh so those guys are

1411
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:29,400
always the ones that go out so it's not

1412
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:31,079
every Deputy can do that because they're

1413
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:33,000
not really trained for it

1414
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:35,940
but when I talked to the Rancher and I

1415
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:37,500
and I get all the information I've

1416
00:54:42,349 --> 00:54:38,760
already got the case report like with

1417
00:54:44,210 --> 00:54:42,359
Oregon Oregon was cool I like Oregon I

1418
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,220
had Okay so

1419
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:46,559
are you guys in a mood fund do you uh

1420
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,380
yeah yeah I've joined I moved from

1421
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,880
Canada I haven't done anything lately

1422
00:54:54,890 --> 00:54:52,559
with them I mean it's been almost a year

1423
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:54,900
since I've done any cases but I'm still

1424
00:55:00,370 --> 00:54:58,380
with them yeah yeah it's you know um

1425
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:00,380
I don't know what they're doing

1426
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:03,839
I see a lot of red flags going on uh

1427
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,380
with them um I got uh the the director

1428
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,160
of Investigations that contacted me

1429
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:12,720
about a possible mutilation beginning of

1430
00:55:17,569 --> 00:55:16,020
April in Oregon had me contact the state

1431
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:17,579
director of Oregon

1432
00:55:24,190 --> 00:55:21,300
because nobody can move on mufon has got

1433
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,200
my experience in animal emulations I was

1434
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:26,400
mufon's director of Animal emulation

1435
00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:28,680
investigations and if for some reason

1436
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:32,940
after Jan Harrison debuckled uh you know

1437
00:55:37,549 --> 00:55:35,760
that position went away and I never

1438
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:37,559
after Jan I really never went back to

1439
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:40,260
move on but um

1440
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:42,660
so contacted me to talk with the guy

1441
00:55:48,109 --> 00:55:46,200
there and uh he kind of gave me a little

1442
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:48,119
bit of information I said okay well well

1443
00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:49,800
county is in who's a what's the

1444
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:50,940
sheriff's department I want to talk to

1445
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:54,720
them nothing crickets he would he would

1446
00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:57,720
return my calls or email I gave him a

1447
00:56:02,270 --> 00:55:59,940
couple days I'm like okay first off you

1448
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:02,280
guys called me to get involved in this I

1449
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:04,740
got involved and now you're not giving

1450
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:06,660
me information the information as you're

1451
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:09,420
you're keeping it from it I said well

1452
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,319
that's not going to work because I

1453
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:12,660
already know about it so what I did was

1454
00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:15,180
is I started researching the mutilations

1455
00:56:18,829 --> 00:56:16,859
that had occurred in Oregon in the past

1456
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:18,839
in the past few years

1457
00:56:24,049 --> 00:56:21,599
and and what counties they were in and I

1458
00:56:25,609 --> 00:56:24,059
sat on the phone and I worked remote at

1459
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:25,619
home and doing this while I'm working my

1460
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:27,660
day job and

1461
00:56:30,829 --> 00:56:29,460
I called I basically called the

1462
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:30,839
sheriff's departments in those counties

1463
00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:32,940
and I talked to dispatch and I would say

1464
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,880
who could I talk to to find out if there

1465
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:37,760
have been any animal cruelty cases

1466
00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:41,420
turned in within the past couple days

1467
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:44,700
and then you know one after another and

1468
00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:48,780
finally Harney County uh in Oregon uh

1469
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:51,300
they I got I was in contact with the

1470
00:56:56,329 --> 00:56:54,180
person who does the cases that writes up

1471
00:56:59,329 --> 00:56:56,339
the cases and stuff and and she was yeah

1472
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:59,339
yeah we have them come in and then uh I

1473
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:00,900
got the case report number and then you

1474
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,240
know paid for it to hold it and and then

1475
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:05,520
that was my starting point now I knew

1476
00:57:08,270 --> 00:57:06,480
the county

1477
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:08,280
I still didn't know the Rancher so I

1478
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:10,980
started doing more research of ovarius

1479
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:15,000
found out like talking to people or you

1480
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,400
know random people within uh not you

1481
00:57:20,569 --> 00:57:19,200
know within the county but not not the

1482
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:20,579
sheriff's department you know like um

1483
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,680
you know uh

1484
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:25,200
brand inspectors and stuff and I nailed

1485
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:27,960
it down was able to contact the Rancher

1486
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:29,880
got a hold of a phone number just by

1487
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:31,140
looking up

1488
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:35,339
phone numbers you know and uh he sat and

1489
00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:37,740
talked with me and and gave me the whole

1490
00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:41,400
steal so I had I I had his testimony

1491
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,300
over a phone I and I and I still I still

1492
00:57:50,569 --> 00:57:47,520
text I text him today too

1493
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,579
um about those other cases and then I

1494
00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:52,079
had a case report I put those book

1495
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,460
together and that's what's on my blog

1496
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:55,680
right now combination I've got his

1497
00:58:00,290 --> 00:57:57,420
pictures on it that says courtesy

1498
00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:00,300
Rancher he did not want his name you

1499
00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:02,040
know revealed and then I have some

1500
00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:04,260
pictures that say courtesy you know

1501
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:05,220
Harney County Sheriff's Department

1502
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:08,760
because you know once a case goes public

1503
00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:11,760
or once the case is filed it's public

1504
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:14,700
because you know the taxes pretty much

1505
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,000
paid for law enforcement so you know we

1506
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:20,160
can use that material and not have to

1507
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,680
worry about copyright issues because we

1508
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,200
kind of own it you know so to speak

1509
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,599
and so that's combination there but I

1510
00:58:32,089 --> 00:58:29,520
actually had to do some groundwork like

1511
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:32,099
I did in Walsenburg to find this guy

1512
00:58:36,049 --> 00:58:34,319
and it's really interesting so when I

1513
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:36,059
talked to him after I found out

1514
00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:37,680
everything about the animal and what

1515
00:58:40,270 --> 00:58:39,420
happened and when they when they found

1516
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,280
it

1517
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:43,440
that's okay now I have some interesting

1518
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,420
questions to ask you

1519
00:58:50,089 --> 00:58:47,280
um first off have you seen anything

1520
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:50,099
unusual in the area I mean well not

1521
00:58:54,770 --> 00:58:52,619
really go have you seen any types of

1522
00:58:56,270 --> 00:58:54,780
Lights in the area maybe in the past

1523
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:56,280
couple of weeks before the mutilation

1524
00:58:59,809 --> 00:58:58,380
and he goes

1525
00:59:02,809 --> 00:58:59,819
yeah

1526
00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:02,819
and I said can you you know tell me

1527
00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:05,400
about that he says well now this

1528
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:06,780
particular wrench I know where it's at

1529
00:59:11,809 --> 00:59:10,260
and it's in the middle of nowhere and

1530
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:11,819
this is Oregon right truck this is

1531
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:13,740
Oregon okay and it's a ranch 10 miles

1532
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:15,660
here and Ranch 10 miles on the other

1533
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:16,680
side and they're in the middle of

1534
00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:19,740
nowhere nobody around them and it was

1535
00:59:23,089 --> 00:59:21,180
about about a week and a half or two

1536
00:59:24,829 --> 00:59:23,099
weeks before the mutilation until you

1537
00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:24,839
know found the cow they saw these bright

1538
00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:27,540
flashes and they noticed it because in

1539
00:59:31,309 --> 00:59:29,460
their living room they had their picture

1540
00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:31,319
window open the curds were open and off

1541
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:32,460
in a distance they saw these last

1542
00:59:35,630 --> 00:59:33,780
flashes

1543
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:35,640
you know and they're kind of like

1544
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:37,980
watching it and that was nicked that was

1545
00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:41,280
basically it but they did see glasses of

1546
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:42,540
light they didn't think about it too

1547
00:59:47,329 --> 00:59:45,720
much you didn't really know what but it

1548
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,339
wasn't that they were scared but you

1549
00:59:52,190 --> 00:59:49,200
know they kind of put it back in back to

1550
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:52,200
my mind until I asked him about it

1551
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,000
um also something that I found out

1552
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:57,119
afterwards uh because I I like to stay

1553
01:00:00,530 --> 00:59:58,559
in touch with these ranchers for at

1554
01:00:02,210 --> 01:00:00,540
least two three weeks after the fact to

1555
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:02,220
help them through with any questions and

1556
01:00:06,589 --> 01:00:03,720
that's why I'm still talking to this

1557
01:00:08,750 --> 01:00:06,599
Rancher a couple of days

1558
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:08,760
um I I was talking to him and actually

1559
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:11,640
called me he says Chucky kills uh I got

1560
01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:13,619
a question to ask you uh

1561
01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:15,480
have you ever heard of people getting

1562
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:17,880
sick from these things and I said well

1563
01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:20,400
why he says well we didn't touch the

1564
01:00:25,250 --> 01:00:22,380
animal we were within about four feet of

1565
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:25,260
the animal when we found it uh the band

1566
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:28,799
our our muscles ache and I got a

1567
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:31,980
headache and some other things too and

1568
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:34,319
as I said real bad he goes well no not

1569
01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:35,520
really but it's you know it's enough

1570
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,079
that we're noticing it it's both me and

1571
01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:39,599
my wife because they were both there I

1572
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:42,059
said well obviously if it persists the

1573
01:00:46,190 --> 01:00:43,740
next couple days go see your doctor get

1574
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:46,200
a checkup yeah you know we need to find

1575
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,900
out what that issue is now that does

1576
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:50,640
happen some cases

1577
01:00:54,890 --> 01:00:52,680
you know um though I had one case where

1578
01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:54,900
a Rancher actually touched the animal uh

1579
01:00:58,329 --> 01:00:56,819
later on that day his old Hills his

1580
01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:58,339
whole arm went numb

1581
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,380
and um it will and and then the next day

1582
01:01:06,650 --> 01:01:03,599
he was ill for a little while then he

1583
01:01:09,049 --> 01:01:06,660
came out of it you know he was fine but

1584
01:01:11,329 --> 01:01:09,059
that does happen sometimes not all the

1585
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:11,339
time but I was tracking that I contacted

1586
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:12,960
him a couple days later how you doing

1587
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,000
you know you feeling okay yeah things

1588
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,000
are fine I have a theory on that that we

1589
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:20,160
can touch on later if you want to you

1590
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,440
know you want to hear but so there there

1591
01:01:27,289 --> 01:01:25,440
are some cases where you can get ill

1592
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:27,299
from you know investigating animal

1593
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:28,500
mutilations

1594
01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:30,900
right and even we were talking to

1595
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,579
somebody else not that long ago about

1596
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:34,559
just the ailments that people get in

1597
01:01:39,410 --> 01:01:37,440
your crafts or uh James Fox's new

1598
01:01:42,049 --> 01:01:39,420
documentary where the police officer

1599
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,059
fell ill and died because he held this

1600
01:01:45,770 --> 01:01:44,160
strange little creatures in his hands

1601
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,780
like it's just there's there are

1602
01:01:50,450 --> 01:01:48,000
ailments and when you hear reports from

1603
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,460
you know the the Congress hearings that

1604
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,040
there's been no side effects so far

1605
01:01:57,530 --> 01:01:54,960
between these objects in humans or

1606
01:01:59,690 --> 01:01:57,540
aircrafts and we're like BS right

1607
01:02:02,510 --> 01:01:59,700
there's constant people being affected

1608
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,520
by this and if cattle mutilation is

1609
01:02:06,349 --> 01:02:04,559
indeed part of this phenomenon it is

1610
01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:06,359
evidence people keep saying where's the

1611
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,480
evidence this is the evidence yeah we

1612
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:11,760
haven't filmed one yet oh my gosh yeah

1613
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:14,339
we haven't filmed one in action but the

1614
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:16,140
results are there that the suspicious

1615
01:02:20,329 --> 01:02:18,119
you know like activity of the lights and

1616
01:02:22,730 --> 01:02:20,339
then obviously finding an animal with

1617
01:02:24,349 --> 01:02:22,740
let's just face it cuts and and parts

1618
01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:24,359
missing out of it that is surgically

1619
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:26,940
like laserly cut like you couldn't even

1620
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,980
do that if you were a surgeon like it

1621
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,480
would take you forever to get that

1622
01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:32,160
perfect how do you get no blood on the

1623
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:34,680
white fur yeah even an operation you

1624
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,420
know with our best surgeons there's

1625
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:38,880
blood my I was President my daughter's

1626
01:02:43,730 --> 01:02:41,640
birth my wife had a C-section they let

1627
01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:43,740
me film it I was a med student so I'm

1628
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:45,480
not scared of blood and gods but there's

1629
01:02:48,410 --> 01:02:47,040
a lot of blood and guts okay I don't

1630
01:02:50,809 --> 01:02:48,420
know how you would do something like

1631
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:50,819
that as invasive as that and just not

1632
01:02:54,829 --> 01:02:52,799
leave any signs you know and yeah you

1633
01:02:57,049 --> 01:02:54,839
know for your for your viewers out there

1634
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:57,059
they're watching it that are new to this

1635
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:00,000
what an animal relation is and we talked

1636
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,520
a little briefly about it is it's picked

1637
01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:05,280
up at location eight picked up okay not

1638
01:03:12,349 --> 01:03:08,700
dragged picked up take it to location B

1639
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,359
the mutilation occurs at location B then

1640
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,400
they take it to location C which is in

1641
01:03:18,890 --> 01:03:16,559
the general proximity of location eight

1642
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,900
uh I've actually had two cases where we

1643
01:03:24,289 --> 01:03:21,119
found where the animal was picked up and

1644
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:24,299
you know you know 50 60 yards away and

1645
01:03:28,190 --> 01:03:26,220
that's how I know because I've actually

1646
01:03:30,049 --> 01:03:28,200
had two cases of physically saw the

1647
01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:30,059
evidence where they were picked up yeah

1648
01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:33,240
the last of marches anyway I won't go

1649
01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:36,900
into it but so it's the location B where

1650
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:39,180
the the animals drained of blood

1651
01:03:43,609 --> 01:03:41,700
and then the cuts are made now I know

1652
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:43,619
the animals already did when the cuts

1653
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:46,319
were made because I did when I started

1654
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:47,520
doing this I was running a lot of

1655
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:48,900
samples down to Colorado State

1656
01:03:54,890 --> 01:03:52,079
Veterinary lab in Fort Collins and they

1657
01:03:56,270 --> 01:03:54,900
were looking at the uh you know the

1658
01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:56,280
anomaly cut

1659
01:04:00,829 --> 01:03:58,140
you know so what you did what you do is

1660
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,839
if you have well not not let's say the

1661
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:02,880
neck right here so you had to cut around

1662
01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:05,760
a hole you take that and you do a pie

1663
01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:07,140
cut

1664
01:04:12,589 --> 01:04:10,140
outside of it so you want the anomaly

1665
01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:12,599
cut because you want them to look at

1666
01:04:16,849 --> 01:04:14,819
that and every one of the cases that I

1667
01:04:19,490 --> 01:04:16,859
took in there was no signs of

1668
01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:19,500
hemorrhaging which means the animal was

1669
01:04:24,530 --> 01:04:21,780
already dead by the time they cut it up

1670
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,540
which is good for me because I didn't

1671
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,160
you know I couldn't imagine this part

1672
01:04:30,770 --> 01:04:28,079
animal struggling while they were

1673
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:30,780
cutting it was getting cut out also in

1674
01:04:35,809 --> 01:04:32,700
some of the cases the hardest collapsed

1675
01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:35,819
which tells me that it was bled out now

1676
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:37,500
some people go no one animals die

1677
01:04:41,089 --> 01:04:39,000
they're they blew it out of the heart

1678
01:04:43,789 --> 01:04:41,099
collapse not true

1679
01:04:46,730 --> 01:04:43,799
get their blood out yes but under normal

1680
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,740
circumstances I actually was invited to

1681
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:48,960
go to Colorado State University years

1682
01:04:54,289 --> 01:04:51,420
ago and perform a necropsy on a horse

1683
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:54,299
with students they taught me I went

1684
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:55,920
there and I actually did a couple of

1685
01:05:00,170 --> 01:04:58,079
presentations at a couple different

1686
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,180
years teaching the students what animal

1687
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:02,160
mutilations are so if I ever bought

1688
01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:03,839
anything in they would know what to do

1689
01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:06,180
they in turn

1690
01:05:11,569 --> 01:05:09,480
brought me in and I got to do a necropsy

1691
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:11,579
on a horse that had died of natural

1692
01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:14,520
causes and the heart was about the size

1693
01:05:19,789 --> 01:05:17,460
of a ball a volleyball and it was it was

1694
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:19,799
not collapsed and when you cut it open

1695
01:05:25,089 --> 01:05:22,079
the left and right ventricle you'll see

1696
01:05:28,190 --> 01:05:25,099
like grape jelly inside here you know

1697
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:28,200
and so when a heart has collapsed that's

1698
01:05:33,710 --> 01:05:31,619
when it's been forcibly bled out what

1699
01:05:35,569 --> 01:05:33,720
about like crushes I've heard of people

1700
01:05:38,329 --> 01:05:35,579
I think it was on Skinwalker Ranch a few

1701
01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:38,339
seasons ago they had a cow and it had

1702
01:05:42,410 --> 01:05:40,140
like impact like it was hit by a

1703
01:05:45,170 --> 01:05:42,420
freaking train almost as if it was

1704
01:05:46,849 --> 01:05:45,180
dropped from some height and uh and even

1705
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:46,859
like in The Impressions in the ground

1706
01:05:50,270 --> 01:05:48,540
would allude to the same have you heard

1707
01:05:52,250 --> 01:05:50,280
of obviously you have but what are your

1708
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,260
thoughts on that kind of thing well I I

1709
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:54,240
giggle this kid rock harassed because we

1710
01:05:59,390 --> 01:05:56,579
did a investigation on alien highway

1711
01:06:01,609 --> 01:05:59,400
outside of Skinwalker Ranch Ken Walker

1712
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:01,619
Ranch is one of these spots where it's

1713
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,260
like one little house in the San Luis

1714
01:06:08,329 --> 01:06:06,480
Valley that whole area there could be a

1715
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,339
10 mile wide area where that place is

1716
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,559
Googling oh and it's hot you don't have

1717
01:06:14,569 --> 01:06:12,480
to be on the ranch we found a lot of

1718
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,579
evidence with alien highway way away

1719
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:16,319
from the Reds talking to the Native

1720
01:06:20,030 --> 01:06:18,540
Americans there they told us where to go

1721
01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:20,040
I mean they didn't tell us where to go

1722
01:06:25,250 --> 01:06:22,680
you know they told us where the you know

1723
01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:25,260
if we wanted to see activity you know

1724
01:06:29,569 --> 01:06:27,480
where to go and it was nowhere near the

1725
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:29,579
skin walker Ranch although Skinwalker

1726
01:06:32,329 --> 01:06:30,839
Ranch was off in a distance I'm not

1727
01:06:33,529 --> 01:06:32,339
saying anything negative about it but a

1728
01:06:35,390 --> 01:06:33,539
lot of stuff

1729
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,400
you know I've done with Pro I've done

1730
01:06:38,329 --> 01:06:36,960
work with Prometheus before I think

1731
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:38,339
Prometheus is one of the production

1732
01:06:41,930 --> 01:06:40,020
companies they have a tendency of

1733
01:06:45,650 --> 01:06:41,940
exaggerating a lot

1734
01:06:46,849 --> 01:06:45,660
you know for for uh ratings so just keep

1735
01:06:50,569 --> 01:06:46,859
that in mind when you watch a skin

1736
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:50,579
walker Ranch but um yes and they're not

1737
01:06:54,650 --> 01:06:53,760
dropped and so when you listen to these

1738
01:06:56,029 --> 01:06:54,660
people if they'll say I don't know what

1739
01:06:57,289 --> 01:06:56,039
was dropped from well because they

1740
01:06:59,870 --> 01:06:57,299
really haven't done enough of these

1741
01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:59,880
investigations you know maybe it's their

1742
01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:01,680
first thought when they see the animal

1743
01:07:06,650 --> 01:07:03,960
there and there's broken bones and stuff

1744
01:07:08,089 --> 01:07:06,660
that it was dropped but it's not dropped

1745
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:08,099
and I tell you why it's not dropped

1746
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:09,420
because

1747
01:07:12,650 --> 01:07:10,980
if I take

1748
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:12,660
no let's see we'll just take this right

1749
01:07:17,870 --> 01:07:14,760
here

1750
01:07:21,049 --> 01:07:17,880
okay so what happens on my phone when I

1751
01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:21,059
take this a little piece of plastic and

1752
01:07:26,210 --> 01:07:23,599
it kind of moves around doesn't it

1753
01:07:28,849 --> 01:07:26,220
but it's truck so it'll move around

1754
01:07:30,109 --> 01:07:28,859
there's absolutely no evidence at all to

1755
01:07:31,549 --> 01:07:30,119
probably pick the wrong thing because

1756
01:07:33,789 --> 01:07:31,559
it's filled out perfect the first time

1757
01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:33,799
you need a prop dead cow

1758
01:07:37,870 --> 01:07:36,059
I thought you would have one Chuck I'm a

1759
01:07:41,329 --> 01:07:37,880
little disappointed

1760
01:07:44,750 --> 01:07:41,339
I'm really sorry the um

1761
01:07:46,609 --> 01:07:44,760
when an animal's dropped even two three

1762
01:07:48,770 --> 01:07:46,619
inches off the ground you're gonna get a

1763
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:48,780
little bit of movement and so when you

1764
01:07:55,730 --> 01:07:51,660
come across an animal mutilation there's

1765
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:55,740
absolutely zero evidence of the animal's

1766
01:08:01,730 --> 01:07:59,520
body making marks on the ground no leg

1767
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:01,740
moving no head movement nothing it's

1768
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,319
like a fiberglass cow that just was

1769
01:08:10,010 --> 01:08:06,480
placed there you know the animal was

1770
01:08:11,809 --> 01:08:10,020
just placed okay and so Cappy drop now I

1771
01:08:14,210 --> 01:08:11,819
knew that when I was a deputy we were

1772
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,220
watching some some training videos on

1773
01:08:17,890 --> 01:08:15,839
jumpers and commit you know people who

1774
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:17,900
commit suicide jumping off of a house or

1775
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:20,160
you know or building five six sword

1776
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:21,839
buildings up and when they hit the

1777
01:08:26,150 --> 01:08:23,640
concrete then they bounce

1778
01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:26,160
you know humans have they'll balance

1779
01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:28,440
eight feet up in the air

1780
01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:30,839
so even if you fall off a roof you're

1781
01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:33,000
not gonna go you know you're gonna pass

1782
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:35,460
a little bit so they're not dropped

1783
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:38,339
they're placed now people are going well

1784
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:41,460
how do you know that well because the

1785
01:08:45,410 --> 01:08:43,799
leg the lack of evidence and being

1786
01:08:47,870 --> 01:08:45,420
something else I found

1787
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:47,880
and I'll tell you real quick so some of

1788
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:50,100
the cases I found I found higher levels

1789
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,080
of electromagnetic field associated with

1790
01:08:57,169 --> 01:08:54,960
the animal and sometimes the animals not

1791
01:09:00,050 --> 01:08:57,179
all the cases very rarely the animals

1792
01:09:02,269 --> 01:09:00,060
lying in a round circle not a crop

1793
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,279
circle just a ground depression I've

1794
01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:04,080
taken soil samples from inside and

1795
01:09:09,709 --> 01:09:07,319
outside ground depression vacations cecs

1796
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:09,719
the nutrients are slightly altered

1797
01:09:16,189 --> 01:09:14,160
by the cow okay and what tells me that

1798
01:09:18,890 --> 01:09:16,199
what alter the nutrient is is a high

1799
01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:18,900
energy because the soil is less soluble

1800
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:20,940
near the animal than you know where I

1801
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:24,060
took the sample soil and since I picked

1802
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,920
up I need to go well why would we have

1803
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:28,080
high energy because I picked up EMF

1804
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:29,940
higher levels of EMF

1805
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:32,940
off of an animal and off of the ground

1806
01:09:39,410 --> 01:09:36,420
near an animal not a lot a couple of

1807
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,420
times but enough you know to start you

1808
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:42,000
know thinking about it and it's happened

1809
01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:44,100
a couple different times so I can see a

1810
01:09:48,289 --> 01:09:46,500
pattern now so there's an energy source

1811
01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:48,299
that picks up the animal

1812
01:09:52,249 --> 01:09:50,580
I know as crazy as that sounds this is

1813
01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:52,259
the best I can do for a theory because

1814
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:54,660
we've never found strap marks chain

1815
01:09:58,370 --> 01:09:57,060
marks we've never found tire marks of a

1816
01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:58,380
tow truck being there picking up an

1817
01:10:02,750 --> 01:10:00,660
animal right we never found any

1818
01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:02,760
vegetation or anything or of a

1819
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:03,960
helicopter picking up but even a

1820
01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:05,520
helicopter picking up and even if it was

1821
01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:07,800
a claw there would be marks on the

1822
01:10:12,650 --> 01:10:10,679
animal or or like I said strap marks

1823
01:10:14,930 --> 01:10:12,660
absolutely no evidence of how it was

1824
01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:14,940
picked up so one has to assume energy

1825
01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:17,640
since there was EMF media readings there

1826
01:10:23,390 --> 01:10:20,940
it's lifted up taken somewhere and it's

1827
01:10:26,890 --> 01:10:23,400
placed back down now maybe depending on

1828
01:10:29,390 --> 01:10:26,900
the height of whatever apparatus is

1829
01:10:32,330 --> 01:10:29,400
responsible for lifting and putting it

1830
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:32,340
down they put it down too hard bones

1831
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:35,280
internally will break I've had cases

1832
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,080
where the rib cage breaks right away

1833
01:10:43,070 --> 01:10:39,120
from the backbone

1834
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:43,080
um the organ one my gosh the uh the

1835
01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:45,120
femur bone I think it was a left femur

1836
01:10:49,130 --> 01:10:45,900
bone

1837
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,140
would pull right out of the socket of of

1838
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:52,560
the pelvic area as it was as as it was

1839
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,840
hit now this was something new that I've

1840
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,400
never seen before

1841
01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:58,320
you had you know it had a hole in the

1842
01:11:03,229 --> 01:11:01,260
side or you know um something came in

1843
01:11:04,669 --> 01:11:03,239
and maybe took out the organs and it was

1844
01:11:06,770 --> 01:11:04,679
Hollow

1845
01:11:08,209 --> 01:11:06,780
when it came down and this Rancher

1846
01:11:11,209 --> 01:11:08,219
noticed this and told me about it and

1847
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:11,219
I'm like oh my god when it came down so

1848
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,400
hard that whatever was in the four or

1849
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:16,320
five stomachs that the cow has on his

1850
01:11:21,770 --> 01:11:19,800
five stomachs it pushed all that out and

1851
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:21,780
into the empty cavity where the organs

1852
01:11:24,890 --> 01:11:23,040
used to be

1853
01:11:26,270 --> 01:11:24,900
because there was a lot of stomach

1854
01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:26,280
matter and he was trying to figure that

1855
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,860
out but then he realized so there's so

1856
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,239
much pressure when this thing came back

1857
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,640
down it broke the femur or took the

1858
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:34,560
femur right out of the socket pushed

1859
01:11:38,689 --> 01:11:36,060
everything that was in the digestive

1860
01:11:39,649 --> 01:11:38,699
tract into the cavity open cavity of the

1861
01:11:42,110 --> 01:11:39,659
cow

1862
01:11:45,169 --> 01:11:42,120
yet there's zero evidence that this

1863
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,179
thing even moved on the ground zero and

1864
01:11:49,370 --> 01:11:47,040
a lot of these these animals were laying

1865
01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:49,380
in in you know softer and you would see

1866
01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:50,820
a scuff marks you'd see all kinds of

1867
01:11:54,890 --> 01:11:53,400
stuff nothing this is the phenomenon of

1868
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:54,900
animal mutilations

1869
01:11:58,610 --> 01:11:57,360
you know you know so the best we can

1870
01:12:00,770 --> 01:11:58,620
figure

1871
01:12:02,270 --> 01:12:00,780
who's ever doing it is using some type

1872
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:02,280
of energy source

1873
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:04,080
they must think we're incredibly stupid

1874
01:12:07,490 --> 01:12:05,340
though because they're like oh let's

1875
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:07,500
just take a cow let's do our thing just

1876
01:12:09,649 --> 01:12:08,640
bring it back they're not going to know

1877
01:12:11,689 --> 01:12:09,659
so you're going to think it died

1878
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:11,699
naturally it's fine you're stupid

1879
01:12:15,649 --> 01:12:14,159
they're human but you know and it's

1880
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:15,659
mysterious because even the way that

1881
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:17,340
you're explaining it I mean it's almost

1882
01:12:21,709 --> 01:12:19,380
time and time again

1883
01:12:23,689 --> 01:12:21,719
you know verbatim exactly what happened

1884
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,699
to the last farmer I mean the fact that

1885
01:12:27,709 --> 01:12:25,440
this cow is taken there's no traces

1886
01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:27,719
there's to be able to pull off this

1887
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:29,580
operation even if you're like you

1888
01:12:33,709 --> 01:12:31,199
mentioning magicians early and for the

1889
01:12:35,570 --> 01:12:33,719
best magician in the world

1890
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,580
you're doing this you're catering to who

1891
01:12:38,930 --> 01:12:37,679
there's no audience you know it's not

1892
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:38,940
like anybody's looking for this it's

1893
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:41,940
just that it's affecting ranchers

1894
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:44,400
um wait and we should do a part two to

1895
01:12:46,669 --> 01:12:45,600
this Louie because we're we're running

1896
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:46,679
out of time because we got to keep it

1897
01:12:51,169 --> 01:12:48,540
within an hour is my favorite subject

1898
01:12:52,910 --> 01:12:51,179
you can chat all day I definitely want

1899
01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:52,920
to your point on the evidence though

1900
01:12:57,890 --> 01:12:55,380
having evidence and not having evidence

1901
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,900
also says something as well right how

1902
01:13:02,209 --> 01:12:59,520
does somebody do this ten thousand times

1903
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,219
as a hoax or a prankster and never leave

1904
01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:04,880
anything forensic

1905
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,620
you know if you want to let's say let's

1906
01:13:11,810 --> 01:13:10,320
let's use an example of of a gray and

1907
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,820
let's say that they you know at one

1908
01:13:15,709 --> 01:13:13,679
point and people still believe there's a

1909
01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:15,719
lot of researchers believe it and that

1910
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:17,460
you know Grays are more like worker bees

1911
01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:19,140
and then there's supposedly the

1912
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,140
reptilians or the tall Grays that kind

1913
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,719
of control the regular Grace and because

1914
01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:26,159
you have tall grades and short grades

1915
01:13:30,649 --> 01:13:28,140
now if the grades are just

1916
01:13:32,930 --> 01:13:30,659
doing whatever they're gonna do then

1917
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,940
it's basically you know someone wants an

1918
01:13:36,649 --> 01:13:34,560
engine for your you know for their car

1919
01:13:38,450 --> 01:13:36,659
so they steal your car take the engine

1920
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,460
out but the car still registered to you

1921
01:13:43,310 --> 01:13:41,040
so you bring it back right

1922
01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:43,320
you know and well they don't have a

1923
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:45,420
place for it maybe that's the case too

1924
01:13:50,030 --> 01:13:47,460
they take what they need they really

1925
01:13:51,050 --> 01:13:50,040
have no place to store 1100 1200 pound

1926
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:51,060
cow

1927
01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:53,400
and so they put it back so they but they

1928
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:55,080
put it back close to where they picked

1929
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:56,880
it up not exactly

1930
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,520
but when when you know when you look at

1931
01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:01,440
this just think about technology think

1932
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,260
about what technology we didn't have you

1933
01:14:08,450 --> 01:14:06,239
know 100 years ago or 200 years ago or

1934
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:08,460
my gosh you go back into Salem days with

1935
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:09,960
a big ladder you'll get burned into

1936
01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:13,440
stick it's a witch yeah in my opinion

1937
01:14:16,910 --> 01:14:14,820
it's just it's just Technology's the

1938
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:16,920
best technology that's why we can't

1939
01:14:21,709 --> 01:14:19,199
catch it with cameras we put I put

1940
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:21,719
motion sensing cameras out in areas but

1941
01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:25,260
a counter emits a field electromagnetic

1942
01:14:28,729 --> 01:14:26,940
field from the batteries because it's

1943
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,739
it's an instrument and with the right

1944
01:14:34,669 --> 01:14:31,199
technology and I'm sure are you know our

1945
01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:34,679
military helicopters can spot

1946
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:36,780
certain types of you know Technologies

1947
01:14:41,689 --> 01:14:38,820
when when they're in an area looking for

1948
01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:41,699
whoever but who's ever doing this you

1949
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,739
know they could spot the cameras they

1950
01:14:48,110 --> 01:14:45,840
could spot the parent being emitted from

1951
01:14:49,729 --> 01:14:48,120
the cameras they know it's there

1952
01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:49,739
they just you know they stay out of

1953
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:50,820
there or

1954
01:14:55,310 --> 01:14:54,120
they shut it down yeah and that happened

1955
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:55,320
to me once

1956
01:15:00,169 --> 01:14:58,080
no really yeah I was so Dylan I was with

1957
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,179
my my wife we read a g my three kids in

1958
01:15:05,330 --> 01:15:02,159
her back and we just passed one of the

1959
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:05,340
vortexes I guess about 10 o'clock 10 30

1960
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,400
at night beautiful sky just drive Pat we

1961
01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:10,800
just drove past the vortex location

1962
01:15:14,450 --> 01:15:13,020
brand new Jeep we read it we've got we

1963
01:15:16,729 --> 01:15:14,460
were four buying all day not a problem

1964
01:15:18,410 --> 01:15:16,739
just went out likes everything

1965
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:18,420
she just kind of rolls off the side

1966
01:15:24,590 --> 01:15:21,360
nobody out there and I'm like yeah you

1967
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:24,600
know Richard Dreyfus yes you know he's a

1968
01:15:30,169 --> 01:15:27,000
close encounter yeah yeah I know what's

1969
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,179
gonna happen I don't know grab the door

1970
01:15:36,169 --> 01:15:32,880
and my wife grabbed my my right arm and

1971
01:15:37,850 --> 01:15:36,179
she said you're not going anywhere

1972
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:37,860
not leaving me here with the kids

1973
01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:41,280
classic wife classic wife outside to see

1974
01:15:45,530 --> 01:15:42,659
if something was flying over yeah

1975
01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:45,540
because it's an energy source and

1976
01:15:50,810 --> 01:15:47,580
um we did a we were doing a

1977
01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:50,820
um a dig at the Roswell debris site for

1978
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,820
the Sci-Fi channel and I was there with

1979
01:15:57,709 --> 01:15:55,920
the film crew from Dateline NBC they

1980
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,719
just have to be the film crew and we

1981
01:16:01,550 --> 01:15:59,040
were camping out

1982
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,560
over by the debris field and we woke up

1983
01:16:05,870 --> 01:16:03,360
the next morning every one of our cell

1984
01:16:08,330 --> 01:16:05,880
phones the batteries were dead or they

1985
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:08,340
reset and our vehicles my vehicle

1986
01:16:12,649 --> 01:16:10,500
production Cruise Vehicles were all dead

1987
01:16:14,930 --> 01:16:12,659
the batteries died something happened

1988
01:16:16,910 --> 01:16:14,940
that night while we were sleeping and

1989
01:16:18,410 --> 01:16:16,920
drained everything luckily the

1990
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,420
archaeologists from the University of

1991
01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:20,400
New Mexico wasn't with us he came

1992
01:16:25,570 --> 01:16:22,980
driving up I had jumper cables and you

1993
01:16:27,709 --> 01:16:25,580
know we got everything going again

1994
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:27,719
so yeah I thought because we're

1995
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:28,920
definitely going to have you on again

1996
01:16:32,090 --> 01:16:31,020
Chuck fairly soon after your vacation is

1997
01:16:34,910 --> 01:16:32,100
done we're not going to bother you while

1998
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,920
you're on vacation uh but to talk about

1999
01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:36,480
maybe a part two of this because like

2000
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:38,340
like Louie said I love this this topic

2001
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:40,080
this in alien abductions is my two

2002
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,360
favorite topics in ufology I love them

2003
01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:43,920
all all the topics but these are my

2004
01:16:47,209 --> 01:16:45,000
favorite too

2005
01:16:48,590 --> 01:16:47,219
um I thought we would do just quickly uh

2006
01:16:51,530 --> 01:16:48,600
between the three of us process of

2007
01:16:53,810 --> 01:16:51,540
elimination right just because is there

2008
01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:53,820
an elimination or illumination whatever

2009
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,580
however you see it uh just because I

2010
01:16:59,390 --> 01:16:58,320
keep hearing people oh it could be this

2011
01:17:01,310 --> 01:16:59,400
because we're talking about the couch

2012
01:17:03,890 --> 01:17:01,320
investigators now

2013
01:17:06,890 --> 01:17:03,900
I'm gonna kick off the ball here and I'm

2014
01:17:09,950 --> 01:17:06,900
gonna say obviously if it was human

2015
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:09,960
you could see human uh thought behind it

2016
01:17:13,310 --> 01:17:11,340
you would see some evidence you would

2017
01:17:16,729 --> 01:17:13,320
see tracks of some sort there would be

2018
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:16,739
errors people are sloppy killing a cow

2019
01:17:20,689 --> 01:17:18,300
is not priority number one like whoever

2020
01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:20,699
is a Serial cow killer right now is

2021
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,380
amazing at covering his tracks I'll

2022
01:17:27,410 --> 01:17:24,239
never be caught he's going to teach CSI

2023
01:17:30,649 --> 01:17:27,420
a new thing right so saying that it's

2024
01:17:32,810 --> 01:17:30,659
it's human highly unlikely sorry that's

2025
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,820
in like the pranks in the prank sense

2026
01:17:37,689 --> 01:17:34,800
you mean right no no I don't make no

2027
01:17:40,430 --> 01:17:37,699
sense that's too elaborate yeah

2028
01:17:42,110 --> 01:17:40,440
or military I'd say that that's probably

2029
01:17:44,810 --> 01:17:42,120
not going to happen after the fact yes

2030
01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:44,820
but not causing and creating it I think

2031
01:17:48,830 --> 01:17:46,380
why would they bring it back they would

2032
01:17:51,470 --> 01:17:48,840
just take it yeah dumb people had had

2033
01:17:52,729 --> 01:17:51,480
you know made mistakes sure sure yeah

2034
01:17:56,590 --> 01:17:52,739
you're not going to get away with it

2035
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:56,600
over ten thousand times no not at all no

2036
01:18:01,250 --> 01:18:00,000
one else yeah what would you eliminate

2037
01:18:03,709 --> 01:18:01,260
off the board Chuck

2038
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,719
well obviously I would I would eliminate

2039
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:05,760
you know human intervention just because

2040
01:18:11,330 --> 01:18:08,880
we've never found any evidence and like

2041
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:11,340
I said every crime and this is a crime

2042
01:18:15,950 --> 01:18:14,159
evidence is left there and and humans

2043
01:18:18,350 --> 01:18:15,960
are not perfect like I mentioned you

2044
01:18:20,330 --> 01:18:18,360
know SEAL Team Six with Bin Laden the

2045
01:18:23,450 --> 01:18:20,340
best of the best with the best equipment

2046
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:23,460
failed right without the evidence hell

2047
01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:25,199
they left a helicopter for guys thanks

2048
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:28,860
so you have over ten thousand cases your

2049
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:31,800
somebody was bound to leave evidence

2050
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:34,080
um law enforcement is is highly trained

2051
01:18:37,550 --> 01:18:36,000
on looking for evidence but they're

2052
01:18:40,729 --> 01:18:37,560
highly trained on looking for human

2053
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:40,739
evidence right not non-human evidence

2054
01:18:45,530 --> 01:18:43,679
meaning not not animal evidence but you

2055
01:18:47,930 --> 01:18:45,540
know something else so they haven't

2056
01:18:50,810 --> 01:18:47,940
found any human evidence Predator

2057
01:18:53,810 --> 01:18:50,820
evidence is really easy you know now

2058
01:18:55,970 --> 01:18:53,820
mountain lion or bear or something of

2059
01:18:58,910 --> 01:18:55,980
this Carnage everywhere movement

2060
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:58,920
everywhere you know I had two horses in

2061
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,739
Rush Colorado they were mutilated you

2062
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,360
know they're I don't know about him 20

2063
01:19:07,130 --> 01:19:05,040
feet away from each other

2064
01:19:08,930 --> 01:19:07,140
the deputies that know what to do

2065
01:19:10,189 --> 01:19:08,940
they're looking and going well it's got

2066
01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:10,199
to be animal cruelty it's got to be

2067
01:19:15,649 --> 01:19:13,560
human because we found no evidence of uh

2068
01:19:17,330 --> 01:19:15,659
of any Predators doing it but yet we

2069
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:17,340
found no evidence of humans doing it

2070
01:19:21,470 --> 01:19:19,199
either but we only had that little box

2071
01:19:22,430 --> 01:19:21,480
to check off and yeah in the report we

2072
01:19:24,350 --> 01:19:22,440
don't have

2073
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:24,360
Animal Human

2074
01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:27,360
unknown yeah yeah well there's no link

2075
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:29,400
between the two how how the how a human

2076
01:19:33,649 --> 01:19:31,920
and the animal would have even been

2077
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,659
together at the same time at the time

2078
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,520
that the animal was mutilated there's no

2079
01:19:38,570 --> 01:19:37,199
there's a gap there we don't know what

2080
01:19:40,850 --> 01:19:38,580
the hell happened and it's obviously not

2081
01:19:43,970 --> 01:19:40,860
nature because nature wouldn't kill an

2082
01:19:46,610 --> 01:19:43,980
animal off that fast and be precise

2083
01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:46,620
about which organ it took first right

2084
01:19:49,970 --> 01:19:48,600
like these are repeatable right and

2085
01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:49,980
that's that's absolutely true that was

2086
01:19:55,729 --> 01:19:52,380
mentioning that mufon is doing a press

2087
01:19:58,250 --> 01:19:55,739
release on an animal emulation that

2088
01:20:00,530 --> 01:19:58,260
happened night before last out of

2089
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:00,540
Oklahoma and

2090
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:02,880
um I told him if before you do a press

2091
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:03,840
release

2092
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,719
call me talk to me before lunch today

2093
01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:08,400
because I might have acquired

2094
01:20:12,649 --> 01:20:10,500
information to either credit or

2095
01:20:15,169 --> 01:20:12,659
discredit this I talked to the deputy

2096
01:20:17,870 --> 01:20:15,179
this morning who used to live on a farm

2097
01:20:21,169 --> 01:20:17,880
grew up on a farm had farm animals

2098
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,179
looked at this animal that the move on

2099
01:20:25,610 --> 01:20:23,280
investigator there was their very first

2100
01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:25,620
panel emulation so a very very

2101
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,260
inexperienced person looking at this at

2102
01:20:33,770 --> 01:20:30,960
night with flashlights so you know you

2103
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:33,780
so it's even worse yet to claim it to be

2104
01:20:38,689 --> 01:20:36,420
a mutilation the Japanese soccer in the

2105
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,699
morning I talked about good 25 minutes

2106
01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:40,800
this morning with him he says now he

2107
01:20:48,050 --> 01:20:44,100
says the lower jaw wasn't cut like you

2108
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:48,060
see with in Texas it was ripped it was

2109
01:20:52,189 --> 01:20:50,100
ripped away I've never ever ever seen

2110
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:52,199
that the only time you'll see that is

2111
01:20:58,850 --> 01:20:55,800
one of a scavenger like coyotes will

2112
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:58,860
take it rip away and then also

2113
01:21:04,370 --> 01:21:01,920
um there was some ripping along the side

2114
01:21:07,130 --> 01:21:04,380
and then along the analy or nothing that

2115
01:21:08,990 --> 01:21:07,140
said precise Cuts right I had all that

2116
01:21:10,910 --> 01:21:09,000
information and the move on investigator

2117
01:21:12,530 --> 01:21:10,920
was supposed to contact me and she

2118
01:21:15,010 --> 01:21:12,540
decided she's going to roll with her do

2119
01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:15,020
a press release with move farm

2120
01:21:21,850 --> 01:21:18,360
and I was interviewed by a major

2121
01:21:25,010 --> 01:21:21,860
magazine a foreign article down the road

2122
01:21:27,050 --> 01:21:25,020
uh and I told them I said look I just

2123
01:21:29,390 --> 01:21:27,060
you know this this we have mutilations

2124
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,400
that are natural they're just they're

2125
01:21:34,729 --> 01:21:31,199
not mutilations the animal just died

2126
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:34,739
naturally scavengers got to look and

2127
01:21:38,330 --> 01:21:36,480
that's what happened in Oklahoma a

2128
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:38,340
couple nights ago so it's going to be

2129
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,880
interesting when this comes out Buffon

2130
01:21:45,410 --> 01:21:43,679
comes out with their

2131
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,420
yeah but these days who wants to listen

2132
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:47,760
to an expert who wants to listen to an

2133
01:21:54,649 --> 01:21:51,600
expert honest person I spent over an

2134
01:21:56,990 --> 01:21:54,659
hour while this person was driving

2135
01:21:58,910 --> 01:21:57,000
to the mutilation case explaining what

2136
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,920
to look for what to do this what to do

2137
01:22:04,189 --> 01:22:00,719
how to do it this or that and then

2138
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:04,199
afterwards I talked to this person see

2139
01:22:08,270 --> 01:22:06,000
how it worked you know spend a lot of

2140
01:22:09,410 --> 01:22:08,280
time in it so when they did the press

2141
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:09,420
release today you think they would

2142
01:22:12,350 --> 01:22:11,100
mention my name hell no they didn't

2143
01:22:15,410 --> 01:22:12,360
mention my name

2144
01:22:17,390 --> 01:22:15,420
you know as the expert that guided them

2145
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:17,400
through this it was just these two

2146
01:22:21,410 --> 01:22:19,679
people from mufon and that's how the

2147
01:22:22,729 --> 01:22:21,420
press release and then when I asked him

2148
01:22:25,729 --> 01:22:22,739
I said

2149
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:25,739
um no thanks for including my name well

2150
01:22:29,570 --> 01:22:27,540
we didn't think it was necessary I'm

2151
01:22:32,330 --> 01:22:29,580
like well screw you guys see if I helped

2152
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:32,340
you again yeah exactly you do you should

2153
01:22:36,530 --> 01:22:34,860
get your reward for that oh no just just

2154
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,540
a name I don't know well no but still

2155
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:38,400
obviously it's a big case when you're

2156
01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:39,480
helping out you're spending that much

2157
01:22:44,330 --> 01:22:41,880
time yeah exactly throw me a freaking

2158
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,340
bone there Louis do you have any final

2159
01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:45,840
questions for our guests today I know we

2160
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,640
have to wrap things up but no well just

2161
01:22:50,510 --> 01:22:49,199
a big thanks to Chuck it's the third

2162
01:22:52,750 --> 01:22:50,520
time on the show I don't think we've had

2163
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:52,760
anybody else on three times

2164
01:22:57,050 --> 01:22:55,500
was the third time but this is it's rare

2165
01:22:59,870 --> 01:22:57,060
it's a rarity yeah we learned something

2166
01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:59,880
I'm sure fourth time so I can beat his

2167
01:23:03,169 --> 01:23:01,800
record yeah I'll have to fly you across

2168
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:03,179
the border here we know you're a former

2169
01:23:05,930 --> 01:23:04,560
cop so you got a clean record you

2170
01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:05,940
shouldn't have a problem Crossing yeah

2171
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:07,380
but I can't bring the gun across the

2172
01:23:12,830 --> 01:23:10,080
border we're not we're not so gunny in

2173
01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:12,840
Canada you have to shake hands first

2174
01:23:16,490 --> 01:23:15,300
that we don't just shoot first but I

2175
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:16,500
understand everybody's right Towing

2176
01:23:20,169 --> 01:23:17,820
Firearms don't send me any hate mail

2177
01:23:22,729 --> 01:23:20,179
please oh no no no no no no

2178
01:23:24,169 --> 01:23:22,739
and I totally agree I believe in

2179
01:23:26,209 --> 01:23:24,179
everybody's right to do whatever they

2180
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:26,219
want to do who be whoever they want to

2181
01:23:30,530 --> 01:23:27,679
be it's true

2182
01:23:31,970 --> 01:23:30,540
exactly and ufology can take a page out

2183
01:23:34,189 --> 01:23:31,980
of that book where we all have enough

2184
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:34,199
absolutely it's great I can see my

2185
01:23:38,990 --> 01:23:36,719
opinion I can see yours where is healthy

2186
01:23:41,209 --> 01:23:39,000
debate gone and I think we just need to

2187
01:23:43,310 --> 01:23:41,219
have a coffee with somebody we totally

2188
01:23:46,189 --> 01:23:43,320
disagree with and do it like an educated

2189
01:23:48,350 --> 01:23:46,199
human and we'll all be wiser for it like

2190
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:48,360
mature adults you know with these

2191
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:50,159
podcasts especially the ones like yours

2192
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:51,840
that are so popular

2193
01:23:57,649 --> 01:23:54,420
um you know if any of your viewers have

2194
01:23:59,810 --> 01:23:57,659
any questions go to ufoneck.com you can

2195
01:24:02,270 --> 01:23:59,820
see the tapases you know email me that's

2196
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:02,280
my direct email and I'll answer whatever

2197
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,260
questions you know you might have it may

2198
01:24:07,729 --> 01:24:06,239
take me a couple of days you know if I

2199
01:24:09,709 --> 01:24:07,739
get inundated with a bunch of emails and

2200
01:24:11,570 --> 01:24:09,719
working these other cases too and then

2201
01:24:13,550 --> 01:24:11,580
of course next week I'm going to be on a

2202
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:13,560
Mediterranean Cruise so I won't be

2203
01:24:16,610 --> 01:24:15,540
answering poor bugger if you have any

2204
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:16,620
questions you better get them to me

2205
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:17,640
before

2206
01:24:21,370 --> 01:24:19,860
Friday at lunchtime where we're taking

2207
01:24:23,330 --> 01:24:21,380
off to the airport

2208
01:24:25,130 --> 01:24:23,340
so when we're releasing this episode

2209
01:24:26,990 --> 01:24:25,140
just a couple days from now so when you

2210
01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:27,000
guys are hearing it at home this is

2211
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,640
current in fact today's April 26th and I

2212
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:31,199
think we're releasing it on the 28th so

2213
01:24:36,530 --> 01:24:33,679
okay yeah I'll be I'll be I'll be

2214
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:36,540
enjoying a Mediterranean Cruise now what

2215
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:39,120
you know as an investigator I take stuff

2216
01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:41,040
with me I have my cameras my night

2217
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:43,380
vision my EMF meter because you never

2218
01:24:48,970 --> 01:24:45,600
know where you might run into something

2219
01:24:52,130 --> 01:24:48,980
so I always take a a small pack with me

2220
01:24:53,330 --> 01:24:52,140
uh when I go on vacation just in case

2221
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,340
because it seems like when people on

2222
01:24:57,530 --> 01:24:55,679
vacation they see things yeah sure yeah

2223
01:24:59,390 --> 01:24:57,540
that's true and never be without it

2224
01:25:01,010 --> 01:24:59,400
right you're always with something yeah

2225
01:25:02,689 --> 01:25:01,020
too the first time you're not you're

2226
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:02,699
gonna like be banging your head against

2227
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:05,040
the wall absolutely Chuck thank you so

2228
01:25:08,689 --> 01:25:06,960
much for joining us today have a great

2229
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,699
vacation and like I said we'll have you

2230
01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:11,040
back on because this subject is is so

2231
01:25:15,229 --> 01:25:13,020
wide has so many topics and you

2232
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,239
investigated a lot of them so again

2233
01:25:19,850 --> 01:25:17,520
thank you so much yeah thank you if I

2234
01:25:21,290 --> 01:25:19,860
have any updates uh when I get back I'll

2235
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:21,300
let you guys know what's going on